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</style><div class="messages"><div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-07-30 08:16</div><div class="msg">has joined #core-dev-meetings</div></div></div><br/>
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<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-07-30 11:35</div><div class="msg">Inviting cross-section of people who represent various teams / have specifically requested to take part. Please let me know if you think someone else in particular should/would like to be present</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-07-30 11:36</div><div class="msg">@oskarth set the channel topic: Next meeting: Monday 6 Aug 1200 UTC | Agenda (please fill in): <a href="https://github.com/status-im/pm/issues/1">https://github.com/status-im/pm/issues/1</a></div></div></div><br/>
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<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-07-30 11:39</div><div class="msg">I'd prefer if we can use Hangouts, easier to do when many people are talking, and max limit is 25. So would rather have people representing teams/swarms, and then individuals who show strong interest to participate (for example: specific perspective, expertise, etc). Hence the subset of invites</div></div></div><br/>
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<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-07-30 14:02</div><div class="msg">@anna @adan Can either of you attend to talk about automated testing? We need to get to a stage where we can trust these, so that:
- (First prio) If a test fails, we block merge
- (Second prio) If tests succeed and it is a minor change, we can feel fairly confident in merging
How we can do that and what obstacles exists (from infra or dev or whatever pov). This would also include things such as cross-release testing, etc</div></div></div><br/>
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<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-07-31 14:56</div><div class="msg">It'd be great if we could have a specified agenda. I added some seed thoughts here, based on conversations with soame people: <a href="https://github.com/status-im/pm/issues/1">https://github.com/status-im/pm/issues/1</a>
What would people like to discuss? What would make it extra useful to you?</div></div></div><br/>
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<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-07-31 15:00</div><div class="msg">Would be great to discuss <a href="https://hackmd.io/s/SyX8Nr3VX">https://hackmd.io/s/SyX8Nr3VX</a> as well by Dmitry S, probably some overlap with contracts (@3esmit) and research/swarm (@arnetheduck.slack)</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-01-11/298391058247_5455b8ad9c31c09d2bf2_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">dmitry.shulyak</div><div class="time">2018-07-31 15:03</div><div class="msg">sure. i will update that document this week with more details about reputation system and chain interactions. as for swarm - i see it as alternative to 3S, as it is not very useful for certain kinds of applications</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-01-11/298391058247_5455b8ad9c31c09d2bf2_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">dmitry.shulyak</div><div class="time">2018-07-31 15:14</div><div class="msg">@oskarth but what is the idea? how is it differnt from town halls? i checked agenda and it seems pretty similar</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-07-31 15:14</div><div class="msg">Discussion, not presentation. Tech-focused. Invite other people in community as applicable</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-07-31 15:15</div><div class="msg">it's modeled after ethereum core dev meetings, so not a serial presentation format with little interaction like our town halls are</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-07-31 15:32</div><div class="msg">does it make sense @dmitry.shulyak?</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-01-11/298391058247_5455b8ad9c31c09d2bf2_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">dmitry.shulyak</div><div class="time">2018-07-31 15:34</div><div class="msg">Yes sounds fine</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-09-07/237395147762_41041c5be71b2b3bc1d1_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">3esmit</div><div class="time">2018-07-31 23:46</div><div class="msg">Absolutely interesting ideas. I can aggregate on that, specially in
&gt;2nd type of nodes can't provide same quality of service as 1st. so in order to participate in the network they must share costs of the network usage. but they are interested to pay only such node that can guarantee high quality of service.
&gt; so reputation system will help them to find such service, and after that they will engage
&gt; in the some sort of payment procedure (will be discussed later).
Which I think we can deal as gas price..
When you are synced to ethereum, making a call to blockchain (not send transaction) does not cost ether, but is not "free" - it costs computing resources, and they are measurable by gas, just like send transcation.
Status replaces Infura and start using synced nodes that could read calls from blockchain and answer by whisper to unsynced nodes which pay them for this reads.</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-09-07/237395147762_41041c5be71b2b3bc1d1_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">3esmit</div><div class="time">2018-07-31 23:55</div><div class="msg">I was first think about this here <a href="https://ethresear.ch/t/incentives-for-running-full-ethereum-nodes/1239/22">https://ethresear.ch/t/incentives-for-running-full-ethereum-nodes/1239/22</a></div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-08-23/230590927909_ddd8ad9c4f223a701b35_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">adan</div><div class="time">2018-08-01 09:51</div><div class="msg">Hey, I am back. I will take a look on what we can do</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-08-03 04:20</div><div class="msg">Managed to get Hangouts on Air to live stream to YT. It's a bit so-so with streaming (no grid) and seemingly changing URL. Also played around with OBS and Zoom a bunch but no cigar.
Does anyone have a fully functional OBS record/stream setup? Would be useful to have as a backup at least</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-08-06 04:26</div><div class="msg">@adan will you be able to talk today?</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-08-06 04:53</div><div class="msg">Latest agenda - I added a few people who haven't confirmed yet - no big deal if we skip a section or so. Please let me know if you'd like to add/remove/change order of anything for whatever reason:
```
0. Introduction
- Purpose of this meeting; format; experiment; feedback (Oskar)
1. Infrastructure updates (infra, p2p, security, testing)
- General infra (Jakub?)
- Security champions (Igor)
- Audit update (Adam? / Corey? / Oskar)
- P2P - New Peer Discovery protocol (Adam / Dmitry)
- Testing updates (Anton?)
2. Client updates (mobile, desktop)
- Mobile app (Igor)
- Desktop (Vitaliy / Max)
3. Research updates
- P2P - Whisper node incentivization (Dmitry)
4. Product updates (chat, wallet, dapp)
5. Specific ideas and misc
- Whisper / Wallet key idea: <a href="https://github.com/status-im/ideas/pull/292/">https://github.com/status-im/ideas/pull/292/</a> (Andrea F)
- Chat / PFS: <a href="https://github.com/status-im/ideas/pull/289">https://github.com/status-im/ideas/pull/289</a> (Andrea MP)
6. Meta
- Feedback on this meeting - was it useful? things that went well, things that can improve
- Follow up re notes/stream; next meeting in 2w time
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<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-01-11/298391058247_5455b8ad9c31c09d2bf2_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">dmitry.shulyak</div><div class="time">2018-08-06 06:23</div><div class="msg">lastest link to spec/research for reputation system/incentivization <a href="https://hackmd.io/TYp9AhGnRN-cHg_u1Vltew?view">https://hackmd.io/TYp9AhGnRN-cHg_u1Vltew?view</a></div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/2674ec9e762bcd011c9542c1b787ce13.jpg?s=72&d=https%3A%2F%2Fa.slack-edge.com%2F66f9%2Fimg%2Favatars%2Fava_0019-72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">jeluard</div><div class="time">2018-08-06 06:29</div><div class="msg">Wow that's a lot of things to go through!</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/2674ec9e762bcd011c9542c1b787ce13.jpg?s=72&d=https%3A%2F%2Fa.slack-edge.com%2F66f9%2Fimg%2Favatars%2Fava_0019-72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">jeluard</div><div class="time">2018-08-06 06:29</div><div class="msg">@oskarth I didn't have much time to prepare anything (extensions !! :sweat_smile:) so I wouldn't mind moving my sutff to the next session.</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/2674ec9e762bcd011c9542c1b787ce13.jpg?s=72&d=https%3A%2F%2Fa.slack-edge.com%2F66f9%2Fimg%2Favatars%2Fava_0019-72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">jeluard</div><div class="time">2018-08-06 06:30</div><div class="msg">Is the idea to get updates on those topics? Or to engage some dialog?</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-08-23/230590927909_ddd8ad9c4f223a701b35_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">adan</div><div class="time">2018-08-06 07:09</div><div class="msg">yep </div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-03-08/150717543185_46c3b78ed6fd88d4b338_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">anna</div><div class="time">2018-08-06 08:03</div><div class="msg"><a href="https://github.com/status-im/pm/issues/1">https://github.com/status-im/pm/issues/1</a></div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-02-23/319521513136_d6db8eeb85a03cb7d705_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">andreaf</div><div class="time">2018-08-06 08:41</div><div class="msg">@oskarth I confirm I can talk about Whisper / Wallet key idea</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-08-06 10:31</div><div class="msg">@jeluard no worries!</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-08-06 10:31</div><div class="msg">Updates as context for rest of people but also discussion :)</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-08-06 11:34</div><div class="msg">Sigh, coworking space screwed up my booking so can't get into the meeting room I booked :confused: will be in a semi-public area for call, should be fine though</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-08-06 11:35</div><div class="msg">Two things that'd love to get help with:
1. Backup solution for recording. Right now current plan is "Hangouts on Air" which livestreams to YT, but it might fail / we have to revert to meets or w/e, so it'd be great to have a backup recording with OBS or whatever.
2. Note taking. We want these meetings to be useful after the fact, so if someone can own this that'd be super helpful.</div></div></div><br/>
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<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-09-06/237954395223_d3ed19865c8990049e2b_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">b00ris</div><div class="time">2018-08-06 11:36</div><div class="msg">has joined #core-dev-meetings</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-08-23/230590927909_ddd8ad9c4f223a701b35_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">adan</div><div class="time">2018-08-06 11:36</div><div class="msg">I am going to talk about `blocking merge for a PR if an e2e test fails` and `if tests succeed and it is a minor change, we can feel fairly confident in merging`
<a href="https://status-im.slack.com/archives/CBZ0FHB27/p1532959320000285">https://status-im.slack.com/archives/CBZ0FHB27/p1532959320000285</a></div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-08-06 11:36</div><div class="msg">@jeka @b00ris do either of you want to talk about ULC at the call in 20m btw?</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-02-23/319521513136_d6db8eeb85a03cb7d705_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">andreaf</div><div class="time">2018-08-06 11:37</div><div class="msg">is there a link for the meeting? I don't see it in the calendar. Also, is there the same limits of 25 people like we had in the past?</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/9a90059210aaacfa5550a12d39020469.jpg?s=72&d=https%3A%2F%2Fa.slack-edge.com%2F66f9%2Fimg%2Favatars%2Fava_0022-72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">jeka</div><div class="time">2018-08-06 11:38</div><div class="msg">Sure!</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-08-06 11:39</div><div class="msg">@andreaf I couldn't figure out Meets and YT streaming, so in first iteration it'll be a YT Hangout call, so once I start it I'll paste link here. A bit annoying but it's what we got right now</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-08-06 11:42</div><div class="msg">@jonny.z or @cryptowanderer do you want to tweet out the link once we are live?</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-08-06 11:47</div><div class="msg">&gt; The scheduled start time should be in the future.
wtf, new error</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-08-06 11:49</div><div class="msg"><a href="https://hangouts.google.com/hangouts/_/ytl/40d2XORmZ4-KhkAMH0iTJ3Ta0iqfac-6WZfwPgQgeRI=?eid=114995354894982595376&amp;hl=en_US">https://hangouts.google.com/hangouts/_/ytl/40d2XORmZ4-KhkAMH0iTJ3Ta0iqfac-6WZfwPgQgeRI=?eid=114995354894982595376&amp;hl=en_US</a></div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-08-06 11:50</div><div class="msg"><!here> <a href="https://hangouts.google.com/hangouts/_/ytl/40d2XORmZ4-KhkAMH0iTJ3Ta0iqfac-6WZfwPgQgeRI=?eid=114995354894982595376&amp;hl=en_US">https://hangouts.google.com/hangouts/_/ytl/40d2XORmZ4-KhkAMH0iTJ3Ta0iqfac-6WZfwPgQgeRI=?eid=114995354894982595376&amp;hl=en_US</a>
Live stream link: <a href="http://youtu.be/uiaPArWSTk8">http://youtu.be/uiaPArWSTk8</a></div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-05-11/181684552369_66f21f8981bdb0f83bdd_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">cryptowanderer</div><div class="time">2018-08-06 11:50</div><div class="msg">has joined #core-dev-meetings</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-05-11/181684552369_66f21f8981bdb0f83bdd_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">cryptowanderer</div><div class="time">2018-08-06 11:51</div><div class="msg">@oskarth I don't have access to the twitter. Sure Jonny will though.</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-08-06 11:52</div><div class="msg">how can the master of words not have access to the great twittlebit fields</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-01-11/298391058247_5455b8ad9c31c09d2bf2_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">dmitry.shulyak</div><div class="time">2018-08-06 11:53</div><div class="msg">this link doesnt work for me</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-08-06 11:53</div><div class="msg"><a href="https://hangouts.google.com/hangouts/_/ytl/40d2XORmZ4-KhkAMH0iTJ3Ta0iqfac-6WZfwPgQgeRI=?eid=114995354894982595376&amp;hl=en_US">https://hangouts.google.com/hangouts/_/ytl/40d2XORmZ4-KhkAMH0iTJ3Ta0iqfac-6WZfwPgQgeRI=?eid=114995354894982595376&amp;hl=en_US</a></div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-08-06 11:53</div><div class="msg">doesn't work?</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-01-11/298391058247_5455b8ad9c31c09d2bf2_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">dmitry.shulyak</div><div class="time">2018-08-06 11:54</div><div class="msg">no it throws me on hangout help page</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-08-06 11:54</div><div class="msg">are you logged into status email?</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-08-06 11:54</div><div class="msg">it was working when I tried it with Eric and Philip this Friday :confused:</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-08-06 11:55</div><div class="msg">does the link work for anyone else?</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-01-11/298391058247_5455b8ad9c31c09d2bf2_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">dmitry.shulyak</div><div class="time">2018-08-06 11:55</div><div class="msg">i am, but it seems it uses my other account</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-07-31/408248212533_6aab8328425c701a55ee_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">corey122</div><div class="time">2018-08-06 11:57</div><div class="msg">im in there, but it sounds terrible</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-08-06 11:57</div><div class="msg">can you try logging out of your personal one?</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-08-06 11:57</div><div class="msg">or logging in from incognito, it seems to work for a few other people</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-08-06 11:57</div><div class="msg">in what way?</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-08-23/230590927909_ddd8ad9c4f223a701b35_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">adan</div><div class="time">2018-08-06 11:57</div><div class="msg">works for me, but +1, sounds terrible</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-08-23/230590927909_ddd8ad9c4f223a701b35_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">adan</div><div class="time">2018-08-06 11:57</div><div class="msg">like a drill</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-08-06 11:57</div><div class="msg">wtf</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-07-31/408248212533_6aab8328425c701a55ee_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">corey122</div><div class="time">2018-08-06 11:57</div><div class="msg">yeah, you might want to reconnect</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-08-23/230590927909_ddd8ad9c4f223a701b35_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">adan</div><div class="time">2018-08-06 11:57</div><div class="msg">or white noise</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-07-31/408248212533_6aab8328425c701a55ee_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">corey122</div><div class="time">2018-08-06 11:58</div><div class="msg">it sounds like you're talking while outside of an airplane</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-07-31/408248212533_6aab8328425c701a55ee_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">corey122</div><div class="time">2018-08-06 11:58</div><div class="msg">but you can't actually hear any talking</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-08-06 11:58</div><div class="msg">really?</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-08-06 11:58</div><div class="msg">so weird</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-08-06 11:58</div><div class="msg">can you say something? I can't hear you now</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-08-23/230590927909_ddd8ad9c4f223a701b35_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">adan</div><div class="time">2018-08-06 11:59</div><div class="msg">yep, and it is randomly appears and disappears</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-08-06 12:00</div><div class="msg">fuck, hm</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-08-06 12:00</div><div class="msg">let me try from phone</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-08-06 12:01</div><div class="msg">Sorry everyone, meeting will be a few minutes delayed</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-07-24/217825278711_78582e61a53927136266_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">adamb</div><div class="time">2018-08-06 12:01</div><div class="msg">I can't call in because the video is full</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-08-06 12:02</div><div class="msg">ok, so let's revert back to Meet then</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-08-06 12:02</div><div class="msg">sec</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-07-31/408248212533_6aab8328425c701a55ee_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">corey122</div><div class="time">2018-08-06 12:02</div><div class="msg">there are multiple status folks... maybe one of them will drop before you can join.</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-08-06 12:02</div><div class="msg">no live streaming then, I'll record audio. Does someone have a screen recording setup that works?</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-07-31/408248212533_6aab8328425c701a55ee_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">corey122</div><div class="time">2018-08-06 12:02</div><div class="msg">I actually havent set mine up</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-08-06 12:03</div><div class="msg">Join this one -&gt; <a href="https://meet.google.com/tfc-dxon-hxh?authuser=0">https://meet.google.com/tfc-dxon-hxh?authuser=0</a></div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-07-31/408248212533_6aab8328425c701a55ee_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">corey122</div><div class="time">2018-08-06 12:03</div><div class="msg">its been recomended we use zoom, because it will livestream</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-07-31/408248212533_6aab8328425c701a55ee_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">corey122</div><div class="time">2018-08-06 12:03</div><div class="msg">thoughts</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-01-11/298391058247_5455b8ad9c31c09d2bf2_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">dmitry.shulyak</div><div class="time">2018-08-06 12:03</div><div class="msg">me too</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-08-06 12:03</div><div class="msg">yeah but I couldn't get it to work, and Meet/Hangouts better for multiple people speaking I think, will look into it more for next time</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-08-06 12:10</div><div class="msg">Notes live: <a href="https://hackmd.io/8uQR4O65QNWwjSx3iPN9Rw?both">https://hackmd.io/8uQR4O65QNWwjSx3iPN9Rw?both</a></div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-08-06 12:11</div><div class="msg">@jeluard @adamb @3esmit @arnetheduck.slack</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-08-06 12:12</div><div class="msg">^ @jeka
we are in this one: <a href="https://meet.google.com/tfc-dxon-hxh?authuser=0">https://meet.google.com/tfc-dxon-hxh?authuser=0</a></div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-02-23/319521513136_d6db8eeb85a03cb7d705_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">andreaf</div><div class="time">2018-08-06 12:12</div><div class="msg">@adamb we are in this other hangout now</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-02-23/319521513136_d6db8eeb85a03cb7d705_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">andreaf</div><div class="time">2018-08-06 12:14</div><div class="msg">@jakub</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-07-24/217825278711_78582e61a53927136266_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">adamb</div><div class="time">2018-08-06 12:14</div><div class="msg">I am there :slightly_smiling_face:</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-04-23/352364450583_84860327a35f2a5b0e5f_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">jakub</div><div class="time">2018-08-06 12:14</div><div class="msg">thanks</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-09-12/240066984213_b35ca6f6b9658bf5cabb_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">jonny.z</div><div class="time">2018-08-06 13:22</div><div class="msg">happy to help moving forward @oskarth. If the meeting is going to be at a regular time each week, we can prep a tweet to go out beforehand</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-08-06 13:48</div><div class="msg">NOTES: <a href="https://hackmd.io/8uQR4O65QNWwjSx3iPN9Rw?both">https://hackmd.io/8uQR4O65QNWwjSx3iPN9Rw?both</a></div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-01-24/304281668629_99d09ae86c8e0a04b52d_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">growbot</div><div class="time">2018-08-06 13:49</div><div class="msg">has joined #core-dev-meetings</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-08-06 13:49</div><div class="msg">Thanks everyone for joining! And special kudos to @corey122 for recording and @rachel for note taking :slightly_smiling_face:</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-07-31/408248212533_6aab8328425c701a55ee_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">corey122</div><div class="time">2018-08-06 13:50</div><div class="msg">Things like this help me get caught up, thank you for starting them.</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-03-13/329132457109_199841cd908ca7faa97f_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">rachel</div><div class="time">2018-08-06 13:53</div><div class="msg">Big thanks and kudos to you @oskarth for starting this initiative and leading the meeting. :star:</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-08-13 04:53</div><div class="msg">Please add stuff to the agenda for call in 1w here: <a href="https://github.com/status-im/pm/issues/2">https://github.com/status-im/pm/issues/2</a></div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-08-16 09:46</div><div class="msg">For meeting on Monday, they will be a lot more useful if we have a properly filled out agenda. I added some stuff from discussions with people, but I need your help. If you have something you want to discuss or decide on, can you please add it to the above issue?
@adamb any p2p stuff?
@jakub infra
@corey122 security
@anna testing
@igor680 mobile / LES (also @b00ris / @jeka re ULC)
@maxr desktop
@goranjovic wallet
@jeluard / @andrey dapp/developer stuff
@pedro /@andreap chat
@barry / @3esmit / @rramos DAO / voting / ENS contract stuff</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-01-10/297564958950_752f7f4865590f38fffc_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">pedro</div><div class="time">2018-08-16 09:46</div><div class="msg">has joined #core-dev-meetings</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-07-31/408248212533_6aab8328425c701a55ee_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">corey122</div><div class="time">2018-08-20 01:44</div><div class="msg">I?m not terribly sure if anything I put is actually going to happen, but I'll try an prepare as if it is. at the beach this week half time but I can talk to the stuff I put up in the agenda.</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-08-20 05:16</div><div class="msg">## Agenda
**Focus on: discuss and decisions about future, as opposed to things in the past**
### Part 1 - Hot topics
**1. Light clients: LES and ULC.**
Context: Currently there's a bit of a disarray w.r.t these efforts - it isn't clear who or what team is owning it or what our deliverables are. Having 10% of users use LES/ULC in app is a p0/p0 OKR, so we need to be clear about what we are doing here, both on a short and longer time scale.
Goal: Discuss approach, reach consensus on way forward, and decide who is leading what focus.
Reading:
- <a href="https://github.com/status-im/status-go/issues/1025">https://github.com/status-im/status-go/issues/1025</a>
- <a href="https://raw.githubusercontent.com/status-im/status-react/develop/doc/decisions/0003-geth-node.md">https://raw.githubusercontent.com/status-im/status-react/develop/doc/decisions/0003-geth-node.md</a>
- <a href="https://github.com/status-im/ideas/pull/295">https://github.com/status-im/ideas/pull/295</a>
**2. Desktop/Mobile mobile code sharing and automated testing.**
Context: We've recently started sharing code base between desktop/mobile, and there are some childhood illness issues related to this.
Goal: Discuss and outline next steps.
**3. Hardware wallet (Javacard, light)**
Context: We want to support hardwallet for Devcon. This requires a lot of coordination across HW/dev/security/ux. This is not captured in current OKRs or priorities among teams. Additionally, we also have a HW wallet pro.
Goal: Discuss roughly what we need, unknowns, and figure out team and point person to this. Rough timeline. Understand relationship with HW pro wallet.
Reading:
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<a href="https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1r27RoYKQ1TQtxByGKyFGlLWcb5AtDziXi_1qIqzuQH8/edit#slide=id.p1">https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1r27RoYKQ1TQtxByGKyFGlLWcb5AtDziXi_1qIqzuQH8/edit#slide=id.p1</a>
- <a href="https://discuss.status.im/t/javacard-hardwallet-user-stories/307">https://discuss.status.im/t/javacard-hardwallet-user-stories/307</a>
- <a href="https://github.com/status-im/design/issues/18">https://github.com/status-im/design/issues/18</a>
(- <a href="https://ideas.status.im/ideas/229-hardware-wallet-pro">https://ideas.status.im/ideas/229-hardware-wallet-pro</a>)
(- <a href="https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0049.mediawiki#public-key-derivation">https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0049.mediawiki#public-key-derivation</a>)
**4. Security.**
Context: We are starting to take security more seriously with a holistic view and process.
Goal: Discuss pyramid of pain, etc. Understand current dev/org pain points and next steps.
**5. First step towards a DAO. (unconfirmed)**
Context: We want to become a DAO. First steps are around voting dapp, liquid pledging, etc. There's also an experiment with Gitcoin.
### Part 2 - fish net (no specific need expressed)
6. Infra updates (infra, p2p, security, testing)
7. Client updates (mobile, desktop)
8. Research updates
9. Product updates (chat, wallet, dapp)
10. Other specific ideas
- 289 Deterministic builds (<a href="https://github.com/status-im/ideas/pull/297">https://github.com/status-im/ideas/pull/297</a>)
- 292 Decouple Whisper key from Wallet (<a href="https://github.com/status-im/ideas/pull/292">https://github.com/status-im/ideas/pull/292</a>)
- 289 Perfect forward secrecy (<a href="https://github.com/status-im/ideas/pull/289">https://github.com/status-im/ideas/pull/289</a>)
- 173 Documentation (<a href="https://github.com/status-im/ideas/pull/287">https://github.com/status-im/ideas/pull/287</a>)</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/4f643ff2e520e1b103a3c81fe6d4267c.jpg?s=72&d=https%3A%2F%2Fa.slack-edge.com%2F3654%2Fimg%2Favatars%2Fava_0023-72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">andreap</div><div class="time">2018-08-20 11:20</div><div class="msg">Today I won't be making it as yesterday I poured some boiling water on my hand and today is probably best to get the doctor to look at it, as it starts to look like a xenomorph egg.
For PFS updates, we should be ready to get a working build with x3dh &amp; dr encryption today or tomorrow, next steps is to start documenting the protocol, get the code in shape and handle some edge cases, add methods for bundle propagation and then see how to handle (whether to disable etc), non pfs initial non-pfs messages when a bundle cannot be retrieved</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-08-20 11:41</div><div class="msg">Good luck at doctor, hope it's nothin' but a scratch!</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/4f643ff2e520e1b103a3c81fe6d4267c.jpg?s=72&d=https%3A%2F%2Fa.slack-edge.com%2F3654%2Fimg%2Favatars%2Fava_0023-72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">andreap</div><div class="time">2018-08-20 11:44</div><div class="msg">it's all good thanks, just need some proper bandages :slightly_smiling_face:</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-07-31/408248212533_6aab8328425c701a55ee_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">corey122</div><div class="time">2018-08-20 11:49</div><div class="msg">associate pyramid of pain link: <a href="http://detect-respond.blogspot.com/2013/03/the-pyramid-of-pain.html">http://detect-respond.blogspot.com/2013/03/the-pyramid-of-pain.html</a></div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-07-31/408248212533_6aab8328425c701a55ee_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">corey122</div><div class="time">2018-08-20 11:49</div><div class="msg">sending my best wishes to you @andreap, hot water don't play!</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-08-20 11:51</div><div class="msg"><!here> <a href="https://zoom.us/j/503915129">https://zoom.us/j/503915129</a></div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-08-20 11:53</div><div class="msg">Notes: <a href="https://hackmd.io/VN4rIR3mTxiUfujlDRNYhA">https://hackmd.io/VN4rIR3mTxiUfujlDRNYhA</a></div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-08-23/230590927909_ddd8ad9c4f223a701b35_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">adan</div><div class="time">2018-08-20 11:58</div><div class="msg">I am going to post an update here so it will be much easier to log it in notes and follow during the call</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-08-23/230590927909_ddd8ad9c4f223a701b35_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">adan</div><div class="time">2018-08-20 11:58</div><div class="msg">Automated testing update:
We were working on making results more readable and getting tests more stable:
-- Removed locators and exception text from report
-- Added error text from an alert popup to failure message, If a test failed and an alert is shown, e.g. <a href="https://github.com/status-im/status-react/pull/5459#issuecomment-414252487">https://github.com/status-im/status-react/pull/5459#issuecomment-414252487</a> `'CreateAccountButton' is not found on the screen, also Unexpected Alert is shown: 'com.facebook.react.common.JavascriptException: undefined is not a valid argument for 'in' (evaluating '"StopIteration"in goog.global'), stack: @12:58248 d@2:768 n@2:339 t@2:262 global code@893:8 '`
-- also there is WIP PR <a href="https://github.com/status-im/status-react/pull/5514">https://github.com/status-im/status-react/pull/5514</a> for screenshots in comments (GitHub has no API for adding screenshots to comments so we are lookin for workaround, adding them via `&lt;img src` leads to broken images for first 10 minutes after adding a comment. Also 429 error is shown in console so such solution is spamming GitHub and not acceptable)
-- test maintenance (fixing false failures in tests and reworking tests according to changed features)
Desktop Automation:
The main goal is to replace `Appium Driver` with a desktop driver while all logic and tests written for mobile will be reused for desktop
For PoC we've tried several possible drivers:
-- <a href="http://sikulix.com/quickstart/">http://sikulix.com/quickstart/</a> (not acceptable since it uses image recognition instead of xpath/accessibility ids, which means that we need to keep a screenshot of an element)
-- <a href="http://appium.io/docs/en/drivers/mac/">http://appium.io/docs/en/drivers/mac/</a> (project seems to be dead and not working with latest mac os x versions)
-- <a href="https://github.com/pyatom/pyatom">https://github.com/pyatom/pyatom</a> (also dead project, however it seems that with some contribution we can make this tool alive)
We are going to try another couple of drivers and if they won't work we will make <a href="https://github.com/pyatom/pyatom">https://github.com/pyatom/pyatom</a> alive
Please advice anything, If you have an experience or any knowledge about desktop automation</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-02-06/310412231971_aab33885aa55d16e4740_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">arnetheduck.slack</div><div class="time">2018-08-20 19:24</div><div class="msg">continuation of today's discussion on connectivity: <a href="https://status-im.slack.com/archives/C8QP8S5UH/p1534792361000100?thread_ts=1534779505.000100&amp;cid=C8QP8S5UH">https://status-im.slack.com/archives/C8QP8S5UH/p1534792361000100?thread_ts=1534779505.000100&amp;cid=C8QP8S5UH</a></div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-05-11/363235195815_bbe7d055e1883e756d9b_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">maxr</div><div class="time">2018-08-21 10:41</div><div class="msg">For react-native-desktop we are using TestLib which is part of Qt/C++ framework (project is based on Qt/C++ framework).
unit tests are scripts, For example, <a href="https://github.com/status-im/react-native-desktop/blob/master/ReactQt/tests/test-array-reconciliation.cpp#L91">https://github.com/status-im/react-native-desktop/blob/master/ReactQt/tests/test-array-reconciliation.cpp#L91</a>
```
void TestArrayReconciliation::testComponentsArrayLastElementDelete() {
loadJSBundle("TestArrayReconciliationDeleteLast", "ReactQt/tests/JS/TestArrayReconciliationDeleteLast"); // !!! Loading specific JS code, it can be whole StatusIm JS bundle
waitAndVerifyJsAppStarted();
showView();
clickDelayTimer-&gt;start();
waitAndVerifyCondition([=]() { return !clickDelayTimer-&gt;isActive(); }, "Timer timeout was not triggered");
topView = topJSComponent();
QCOMPARE(valueOfControlProperty(topView, "objectName").toString(), QString("topView"));
QCOMPARE(topView-&gt;childItems().size(), INITIAL_ITEMS_COUNT); // !!! Checking count of child items inside top UI element ( depends on count of visual elements in the list for this specific test )
QQuickItem* textInput = topView-&gt;childItems().at(0);
QCOMPARE(valueOfControlProperty(textInput, "p_title").toString(), QString("FirstButton")); // !!! Verifying the order and titles of the buttons on the screen
QCOMPARE(valueOfControlProperty(topView-&gt;childItems().at(1), "p_title").toString(), QString("SecondButton"));
QCOMPARE(valueOfControlProperty(topView-&gt;childItems().at(2), "p_title").toString(), QString("ThirdButton"));
clickItem(textInput); // !!! Generating click event on specific ui element
```</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-08-21 11:22</div><div class="msg">If you guys want this to be part of the record, please modify the hackmd directly</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-08-29 04:29</div><div class="msg">What do people think of extending Core Dev call to have an additional (optional) part with community members? See <a href="https://status-im.slack.com/archives/C81J71JDR/p1535485451000100">https://status-im.slack.com/archives/C81J71JDR/p1535485451000100</a> for context
One approach would be to have regular call for 60-90m, break a bit, then do 20-30m community Q&amp;A etc.
Phrased differently: would someone be against this? or would someone be particularly enthusiastic about it and helping people out?</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-08-29 04:32</div><div class="msg"><!here> Also friendly reminder to please add stuff to the agenda for the call on Monday <a href="https://github.com/status-im/pm/issues/3">https://github.com/status-im/pm/issues/3</a></div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/2674ec9e762bcd011c9542c1b787ce13.jpg?s=72&d=https%3A%2F%2Fa.slack-edge.com%2F66f9%2Fimg%2Favatars%2Fava_0019-72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">jeluard</div><div class="time">2018-08-29 06:20</div><div class="msg">Sounds like a nice idea to try!</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/2674ec9e762bcd011c9542c1b787ce13.jpg?s=72&d=https%3A%2F%2Fa.slack-edge.com%2F66f9%2Fimg%2Favatars%2Fava_0019-72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">jeluard</div><div class="time">2018-08-29 06:21</div><div class="msg">What do you think about trying to reduce the length of those calls?</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/2674ec9e762bcd011c9542c1b787ce13.jpg?s=72&d=https%3A%2F%2Fa.slack-edge.com%2F66f9%2Fimg%2Favatars%2Fava_0019-72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">jeluard</div><div class="time">2018-08-29 06:22</div><div class="msg">We could force ourselves to focus on specific topics, as opposed to general `updates`. It could help avoid redundancy with town hall calls too.</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-08-29 07:50</div><div class="msg">I think the value is largely in having a long stretch of time to talk about things on a longer time span, similar to the all core dev calls. If it's about removing filler talk and having higher quality discussion I'm all for it though! Any ideas to facilitate that?</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-08-29 07:51</div><div class="msg">for example, last call I don't think we had many general updates. Do you think we wasted time on something in particular?</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/2674ec9e762bcd011c9542c1b787ce13.jpg?s=72&d=https%3A%2F%2Fa.slack-edge.com%2F66f9%2Fimg%2Favatars%2Fava_0019-72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">jeluard</div><div class="time">2018-08-29 07:52</div><div class="msg">Wasn't there for last call.</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/2674ec9e762bcd011c9542c1b787ce13.jpg?s=72&d=https%3A%2F%2Fa.slack-edge.com%2F66f9%2Fimg%2Favatars%2Fava_0019-72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">jeluard</div><div class="time">2018-08-29 07:52</div><div class="msg">2 hours is a long time for me to keep being focused on things I am not directly involved :sweat_smile:</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-08-29 07:53</div><div class="msg">so it's 1.5h and then 30m for community</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-08-29 07:54</div><div class="msg">we could also do the community part some other time, but then it's another call, and fixed cost is quite high IMO</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-08-29 07:55</div><div class="msg">as in a 2h period means it's the most important thing for an afternoon, but if it's a bunch of 30m calls then the whole day gets fragmented, which is what I'm also trying to avoid</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-08-29 07:58</div><div class="msg">@exiledsurfer @ned wdyt about touching on the website on core dev call on Monday?</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-06-01/375000796951_78d872be972af4441b52_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">exiledsurfer</div><div class="time">2018-08-29 07:58</div><div class="msg">has joined #core-dev-meetings</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-07-05/394232370742_ad7884cfec10fe3457d9_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">ned</div><div class="time">2018-08-29 07:58</div><div class="msg">has joined #core-dev-meetings</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-08-29 08:00</div><div class="msg">if you have ideas for specific things we can cut from last call that'd be most useful, it's on YT with notes</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-07-05/394232370742_ad7884cfec10fe3457d9_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">ned</div><div class="time">2018-08-29 12:33</div><div class="msg">@oskarth I think its a good idea, thanks for inviting</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-08-29 12:50</div><div class="msg">cool! do you want to add it to the agenda above? ideally similar to meeting 2 agenda items, so using
context:
goal:
reading:</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-06-01/375000796951_78d872be972af4441b52_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">exiledsurfer</div><div class="time">2018-08-29 14:24</div><div class="msg">context: explain our infrastructure choices and approach
goals:
1. get engineering input;
2. to get people to join the swarm for implementation
reading: <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IXOyWfx7m3j31GshKPOPXKkLF0-cz_a0hN71TxeWpW8/edit?ts=5b867125">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IXOyWfx7m3j31GshKPOPXKkLF0-cz_a0hN71TxeWpW8/edit?ts=5b867125</a></div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-06-01/375000796951_78d872be972af4441b52_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">exiledsurfer</div><div class="time">2018-08-29 14:32</div><div class="msg">have added to the HackMd agenda doc</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-06-01/375000796951_78d872be972af4441b52_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">exiledsurfer</div><div class="time">2018-08-29 14:32</div><div class="msg">oops</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-06-01/375000796951_78d872be972af4441b52_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">exiledsurfer</div><div class="time">2018-08-29 14:34</div><div class="msg">added to github issue. heh.</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-08-23/230590927909_ddd8ad9c4f223a701b35_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">adan</div><div class="time">2018-09-03 11:18</div><div class="msg">hi, I can't join the meeting today
so I am going to post short update on automated testing:
desktop automation, we are continuing with PoC of the automated testing for desktop, and we are focused both on <a href="http://sikulix.com/quickstart/">http://sikulix.com/quickstart/</a> and <a href="https://github.com/ldtp/pyatom">https://github.com/ldtp/pyatom</a> (however pyatom requires sugnificant contrib to the tool)
also we've continued fixing false failures in tests in order to get an ability to block a PR from merge
and on this week we are planing e2e test migration to new testrail project
regarding obstacles, there was a mess with new build process and e2e tests triggering, however now everything is smooth</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-09-03 11:26</div><div class="msg">is someone from testing able to join the call?
probably best to add the notes to the hackmd directly</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-09-03 11:27</div><div class="msg">@jonny.z will you be able to record like last time?</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-06-01/375000796951_78d872be972af4441b52_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">exiledsurfer</div><div class="time">2018-09-03 11:31</div><div class="msg">@oskarth i don't see a meetup / zoom see a link in the calendar for the call</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-09-03 11:33</div><div class="msg">Zoom link: <a href="https://zoom.us/j/503915129">https://zoom.us/j/503915129</a> is the one we used last time, I hope @jonny.z will be up to stream. If not @corey122 might be able to record</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-06-01/375000796951_78d872be972af4441b52_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">exiledsurfer</div><div class="time">2018-09-03 11:33</div><div class="msg">thx @oskarth, is there a google slide deck for the call?</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-09-03 11:34</div><div class="msg">nope, discussion only format, presentations for town hall</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-09-03 11:34</div><div class="msg"><a href="https://github.com/status-im/pm/issues/3">https://github.com/status-im/pm/issues/3</a></div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-09-03 11:40</div><div class="msg">AGENDA - do people have any thoughts on specific ordering?
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## Agenda
1. Infra updates (infra, p2p, security, testing)
2. Client updates (mobile, desktop)
3. Research updates
4. Product updates (chat, wallet, dapp)
5. Specific ideas update (left-overs from last time)
a) 289 Deterministic builds (<a href="https://github.com/status-im/ideas/pull/297">https://github.com/status-im/ideas/pull/297</a>)
b) 292 Decouple Whisper key from Wallet (<a href="https://github.com/status-im/ideas/pull/292">https://github.com/status-im/ideas/pull/292</a>)
Context: we need to progress on this since this is a dependency for hardwallet light product launch.
Goals: discuss progress, next steps
Reading: <a href="https://discuss.status.im/t/decoupling-the-whisper-key-from-the-wallet-key/261">https://discuss.status.im/t/decoupling-the-whisper-key-from-the-wallet-key/261</a>
c) 289 Perfect forward secrecy (<a href="https://ideas.status.im/ideas/289-perfect-forward-secrecy">https://ideas.status.im/ideas/289-perfect-forward-secrecy</a>)
d) 173 Documentation (<a href="https://github.com/status-im/ideas/pull/287">https://github.com/status-im/ideas/pull/287</a>)
6. Web refresh
Context: explain our infrastructure choices and approach to implementation
Goals: get engineering input; to get people to join the swarm for implementation
Reading: <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IXOyWfx7m3j31GshKPOPXKkLF0-cz_a0hN71TxeWpW8/edit?ts=5b867125">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IXOyWfx7m3j31GshKPOPXKkLF0-cz_a0hN71TxeWpW8/edit?ts=5b867125</a>
8. Status Desktop must-haves
Context: As we plan on using Status Desktop internally instead of Slack, we need to agree on what features we must have working in order to not have a detrimental impact on team performance.
Goals: Collect a list of features that can be implemented in a reasonable amount of time and will satisfy 90+% of use cases.
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<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-06-01/375000796951_78d872be972af4441b52_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">exiledsurfer</div><div class="time">2018-09-03 11:41</div><div class="msg">cool; i plan on sharing my screen for a few things.</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-09-03 11:42</div><div class="msg">kk sounds good</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-09-03 11:42</div><div class="msg">Maybe we should do hot topic approach from last time and give preference for things that people explicitly want to talk about (item ~5-8). The only worry with this is that it might lead to important ongoing things being neglected/postponed. Thoughts?</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-09-03 11:44</div><div class="msg">oh it says meeting note expired :S</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-09-03 11:49</div><div class="msg">looks like we'll have a new link coming up</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-09-12/240066984213_b35ca6f6b9658bf5cabb_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">jonny.z</div><div class="time">2018-09-03 11:49</div><div class="msg">@oskarth please use this webinar url. This is a new url that is set to repeat every 2 weeks. It is also set to auto record every meeting. <a href="https://zoom.us/j/460622154">https://zoom.us/j/460622154</a></div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-09-03 11:49</div><div class="msg">awesome</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-09-03 11:49</div><div class="msg">cc @corey122</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-07-31/408248212533_6aab8328425c701a55ee_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">corey122</div><div class="time">2018-09-03 11:49</div><div class="msg">nice</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-09-03 11:50</div><div class="msg">host sign in?</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-07-31/408248212533_6aab8328425c701a55ee_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">corey122</div><div class="time">2018-09-03 11:50</div><div class="msg">so no need for me to record locally?</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-09-03 11:50</div><div class="msg">is that you @jonny.z?</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-09-12/240066984213_b35ca6f6b9658bf5cabb_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">jonny.z</div><div class="time">2018-09-03 11:50</div><div class="msg">no need to record locally. It will record to cloud</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-09-12/240066984213_b35ca6f6b9658bf5cabb_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">jonny.z</div><div class="time">2018-09-03 11:50</div><div class="msg">I can sign in as host for this session. Lets make you a host after this call so you can do it moving forward</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-07-31/408248212533_6aab8328425c701a55ee_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">corey122</div><div class="time">2018-09-03 11:51</div><div class="msg">maravilhoso</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-09-03 11:52</div><div class="msg">kk</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-09-03 11:52</div><div class="msg">video link: <a href="https://zoom.us/j/460622154">https://zoom.us/j/460622154</a>
agenda: <a href="https://hackmd.io/bJs-OJ-jTYKJWFmW1es_VA?edit">https://hackmd.io/bJs-OJ-jTYKJWFmW1es_VA?edit</a></div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-09-03 11:54</div><div class="msg">@jonny.z do we have persistent stream urls we can use for eg <a href="https://github.com/status-im/pm/issues/3">https://github.com/status-im/pm/issues/3</a> and tweets?</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-09-12/240066984213_b35ca6f6b9658bf5cabb_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">jonny.z</div><div class="time">2018-09-03 11:55</div><div class="msg">yes this new url will be the persistent url</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-07-31/408248212533_6aab8328425c701a55ee_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">corey122</div><div class="time">2018-09-03 11:55</div><div class="msg">maybe throw it in the topic of this channel, if its the one we'll be using from now on?</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-09-12/240066984213_b35ca6f6b9658bf5cabb_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">jonny.z</div><div class="time">2018-09-03 11:55</div><div class="msg">that was my fault the previous url was not set to be a recurring webinar</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-09-03 11:56</div><div class="msg">what about YT/LP?</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-09-03 11:56</div><div class="msg">added zoom to gcal</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-06-01/375000796951_78d872be972af4441b52_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">exiledsurfer</div><div class="time">2018-09-03 11:58</div><div class="msg">@jonny.z make sure the embed default on youtube is set to shareable :slightly_smiling_face:</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-09-03 11:59</div><div class="msg">eh</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-09-03 11:59</div><div class="msg">is it working for people?</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-02-23/319521513136_d6db8eeb85a03cb7d705_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">andreaf</div><div class="time">2018-09-03 11:59</div><div class="msg">I'm there</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-09-03 12:00</div><div class="msg">can you hear me?</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-09-03 12:00</div><div class="msg">oh now</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-01-10/297564958950_752f7f4865590f38fffc_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">pedro</div><div class="time">2018-09-03 12:00</div><div class="msg">I can hear typing</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-09-03 12:01</div><div class="msg"><a href="https://hackmd.io/bJs-OJ-jTYKJWFmW1es_VA?edit">https://hackmd.io/bJs-OJ-jTYKJWFmW1es_VA?edit</a></div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-09-03 12:35</div><div class="msg">@goranjovic do you have then Discovery docs somewhere? can't find</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-09-03 12:41</div><div class="msg">(Historical) discovery links:
<a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1J-mZewaD_jOs06m0ljIs-wooL-Tux9bjWI8-mcFQp3o/edit">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1J-mZewaD_jOs06m0ljIs-wooL-Tux9bjWI8-mcFQp3o/edit</a>
<a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sh0gSj0gGWZctXsT2qx8PjMqEWruE-wKj8z7M6Vo5DM/edit">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sh0gSj0gGWZctXsT2qx8PjMqEWruE-wKj8z7M6Vo5DM/edit</a>
<a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MQRcv1BmMSl08by7VLGaQArXV-z467PtkwyRpVs7Ok8/edit">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MQRcv1BmMSl08by7VLGaQArXV-z467PtkwyRpVs7Ok8/edit</a>
<a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PC4Qu_5qw0OssDptiDiV3qkxkVfaG1DGVHMY7FAy7EM/edit#heading=h.a2z3shua0hvk">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PC4Qu_5qw0OssDptiDiV3qkxkVfaG1DGVHMY7FAy7EM/edit#heading=h.a2z3shua0hvk</a></div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-09-03 13:00</div><div class="msg">For internal usage it says, not sure why? <a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17s7cMJ61-oYuyiz8cByWH7naZH10FXT3XgrpI-3cBUM/edit#gid=0">https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17s7cMJ61-oYuyiz8cByWH7naZH10FXT3XgrpI-3cBUM/edit#gid=0</a> cc @corey122</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-09-03 13:18</div><div class="msg">PFS doc <a href="https://hackmd.io/I3jM-rbYRdS3Sqvwu_ATqg">https://hackmd.io/I3jM-rbYRdS3Sqvwu_ATqg</a></div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-09-12/240066984213_b35ca6f6b9658bf5cabb_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">jonny.z</div><div class="time">2018-09-03 17:18</div><div class="msg">@exiledsurfer did you create a blog post with the recording embedded? I just updated the YT thumbnail and can add the relevant info to the blog post if you have one created already. If not, I can spin one up super quick</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-06-01/375000796951_78d872be972af4441b52_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">exiledsurfer</div><div class="time">2018-09-03 17:19</div><div class="msg">i hadnt done it yet, @jonny.z... go for it if ya want</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-09-12/240066984213_b35ca6f6b9658bf5cabb_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">jonny.z</div><div class="time">2018-09-03 17:19</div><div class="msg">cool. will create one now and plan a social post tomorrow driving to it</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-06-01/375000796951_78d872be972af4441b52_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">exiledsurfer</div><div class="time">2018-09-03 17:19</div><div class="msg">awesome</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-09-12/240066984213_b35ca6f6b9658bf5cabb_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">jonny.z</div><div class="time">2018-09-03 17:53</div><div class="msg">draft post here. Needs some formatting which ill get to tonight. Anything missing? I added a link to hackmd up top in case people prefer to view there <a href="https://our-status.ghost.io/ghost/#/editor/5b8d6f5cd7df4c00bf16a407">https://our-status.ghost.io/ghost/#/editor/5b8d6f5cd7df4c00bf16a407</a></div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-06-01/375000796951_78d872be972af4441b52_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">exiledsurfer</div><div class="time">2018-09-03 18:01</div><div class="msg">i'll sort the fornatting tonite</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-09-12/240066984213_b35ca6f6b9658bf5cabb_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">jonny.z</div><div class="time">2018-09-04 14:59</div><div class="msg">this should be good to go now <a href="https://our.status.im/p/4513a947-4f48-45e8-a485-de7cc7efb124/">https://our.status.im/p/4513a947-4f48-45e8-a485-de7cc7efb124/</a></div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-09-12/240066984213_b35ca6f6b9658bf5cabb_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">jonny.z</div><div class="time">2018-09-04 15:05</div><div class="msg">@exiledsurfer if you cool, ill publish this and slate into the calendar</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-06-01/375000796951_78d872be972af4441b52_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">exiledsurfer</div><div class="time">2018-09-04 15:06</div><div class="msg">yup, i went over it last nite, good to go @jonny.z!</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-09-14 03:03</div><div class="msg">Agenda for Monday, please add stuff: <a href="https://github.com/status-im/pm/issues/4">https://github.com/status-im/pm/issues/4</a></div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 09:32</div><div class="msg">^ ping on above
@adamb maybe something re log based comms etc? or rate limiting stuff?
@jakub anything re deterministic build or something else from infra?
@corey122 anything re security?
@andreap @pedro PFS spec / review input needed there?
@vitaliy @chad anything re desktop?
@goranjovic @guylouis @andreaf anything re hw wallet / key derivation path?
@arnetheduck.slack anything re research?
@barry @3esmit @rramos @graeme anything re ens / plasma / voting / etc?</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-02-26/320279260448_ec6cae0dd4f9145858b4_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">chad</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 09:32</div><div class="msg">has joined #core-dev-meetings</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-06-06/376145814673_25fb6ff197e6a87c2368_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">guylouis</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 09:32</div><div class="msg">has joined #core-dev-meetings</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-06-06/376145814673_25fb6ff197e6a87c2368_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">guylouis</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 09:46</div><div class="msg">cc @micheleb</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 09:48</div><div class="msg">^ @igor680 mobile app / les</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-29/291837550193_7c75b6459537f373c8e1_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">igor680</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 10:04</div><div class="msg">done</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-08-07/411838218004_c7eba2c8e4f6b1a5ba77_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">graeme</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 10:11</div><div class="msg">Not too much to give feedback on but would like to use the meeting to invite peeps to a meeting on voting dapp scalability which will touch on plasma/side-chains and gas abstraction.</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-08-07/411838218004_c7eba2c8e4f6b1a5ba77_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">graeme</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 10:12</div><div class="msg">Looked over the topic, swarm and pps integration will touch on @adamb and @dmitry.shulyak work on incentivising nodes</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-08-07/411838218004_c7eba2c8e4f6b1a5ba77_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">graeme</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 10:13</div><div class="msg">Would also like to make the case on deterministic builds for swarm next step to document build process end to end. Need help from people who understand react chunks.</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 10:16</div><div class="msg">could you add this to the agenda please?</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-08-07/411838218004_c7eba2c8e4f6b1a5ba77_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">graeme</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 10:16</div><div class="msg">100%</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/3fbb10b8c7115b8c44459363fb6476cf.jpg?s=72&d=https%3A%2F%2Fa.slack-edge.com%2F66f9%2Fimg%2Favatars%2Fava_0007-72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">divan</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 10:20</div><div class="msg">Agenda is empty for me: <a href="https://hackmd.io/oXOKXab8ST-m6-zgVUNE5A">https://hackmd.io/oXOKXab8ST-m6-zgVUNE5A</a>
Is it in another place?</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/3fbb10b8c7115b8c44459363fb6476cf.jpg?s=72&d=https%3A%2F%2Fa.slack-edge.com%2F66f9%2Fimg%2Favatars%2Fava_0007-72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">divan</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 10:22</div><div class="msg">I can briefly talk on two topics for reproducible builds for status-go and whisper research simulator update.</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-08-07/411838218004_c7eba2c8e4f6b1a5ba77_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">graeme</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 10:22</div><div class="msg">here <a href="https://github.com/status-im/pm/issues/4">https://github.com/status-im/pm/issues/4</a></div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/3fbb10b8c7115b8c44459363fb6476cf.jpg?s=72&d=https%3A%2F%2Fa.slack-edge.com%2F66f9%2Fimg%2Favatars%2Fava_0007-72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">divan</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 10:23</div><div class="msg">ah, right, thanks!</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/3fbb10b8c7115b8c44459363fb6476cf.jpg?s=72&d=https%3A%2F%2Fa.slack-edge.com%2F66f9%2Fimg%2Favatars%2Fava_0007-72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">divan</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 10:23</div><div class="msg">So HackMD link is a "notes", not "agenda" then :slightly_smiling_face:</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-07-24/217825278711_78582e61a53927136266_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">adamb</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 10:37</div><div class="msg">added stuff</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-02-23/319521513136_d6db8eeb85a03cb7d705_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">andreaf</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 10:38</div><div class="msg">I'll be able to stay for the first 20/30 minutes, but I also added an update here:
<a href="https://discuss.status.im/t/hardware-wallet-light-client-side-development-update/422">https://discuss.status.im/t/hardware-wallet-light-client-side-development-update/422</a></div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-01-02/293014428163_b01bcf59624d5102f799_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">vitaliy</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 10:40</div><div class="msg">added an item to discuss, will provide an update on call</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-09-07/237395147762_41041c5be71b2b3bc1d1_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">3esmit</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 11:02</div><div class="msg">Regarding ENS, I think would be important to talk about how chat will recognize registered ENS Usernames.
Also, how ENS Usernames should be used to resolve a "Status Contact" (instead of using QRCode/paste pubkey)</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 11:08</div><div class="msg">please add to agenda</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-09-07/237395147762_41041c5be71b2b3bc1d1_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">3esmit</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 11:09</div><div class="msg">I added as comment in that issue, is that enough?</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 11:09</div><div class="msg">cheers!</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 11:15</div><div class="msg">@graeme sorry I don't understand what you mean by points in <a href="https://github.com/status-im/pm/issues/4#issuecomment-421963475">https://github.com/status-im/pm/issues/4#issuecomment-421963475</a></div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-08-07/411838218004_c7eba2c8e4f6b1a5ba77_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">graeme</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 11:27</div><div class="msg">at the top of agenda there were 5 points. Infra, client, research, product, specific areas. I was referencing those.</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 11:27</div><div class="msg">oh gotcha</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 11:28</div><div class="msg">Split it up into two parts, hot topics and regular. We have 10 hot topics which is quite a lot. This is good! Not clear to me to what extent they are all something worth discussing with wider group and what specific goals/outcomes are for some of them. Please have a look in the HackMD link and adjust as appropriate :slightly_smiling_face:</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-08-07/411838218004_c7eba2c8e4f6b1a5ba77_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">graeme</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 11:29</div><div class="msg">:+1:</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-07-31/408248212533_6aab8328425c701a55ee_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">corey122</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 11:37</div><div class="msg">outside the security audit and current threatstack trial there isn't any real news from security</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 11:47</div><div class="msg"><a href="https://hackmd.io/oXOKXab8ST-m6-zgVUNE5A?view">https://hackmd.io/oXOKXab8ST-m6-zgVUNE5A?view</a>
2 p2p rate limiting - can you add what the goal of this discussion is @adamb? similar on item 3-4 - they are important topics but it'd be a better framing if we knew what the goals were</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 11:48</div><div class="msg">@pedro outside of general update, are there some specific outcome you'd like?</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 11:48</div><div class="msg">perhaps ask people for feedback on <a href="https://hackmd.io/I3jM-rbYRdS3Sqvwu_ATqg">https://hackmd.io/I3jM-rbYRdS3Sqvwu_ATqg</a> direction, not sure if this is something people feel like they can give</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-01-10/297564958950_752f7f4865590f38fffc_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">pedro</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 11:54</div><div class="msg">Just discussed with @andreap regarding the PR he added with the spec to <a href="http://docs.status.im">http://docs.status.im</a>, but that is not yet finished, so best is to not have people look at it quite yet</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 11:54</div><div class="msg">ok cool</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/4f643ff2e520e1b103a3c81fe6d4267c.jpg?s=72&d=https%3A%2F%2Fa.slack-edge.com%2F3654%2Fimg%2Favatars%2Fava_0023-72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">andreap</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 11:55</div><div class="msg">I mean, in terms of format of the document and general direction feedback is welcome, the specifics might have been changed though</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 11:58</div><div class="msg"><!here> Call is starting</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-08-27/423671855091_1b4f90cfbdd6a3ee2b6f_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">roman</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 11:59</div><div class="msg">can you send the link please?</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/fcc4675bd0ade27de9baefb82098e500.jpg?s=72&d=https%3A%2F%2Fa.slack-edge.com%2F66f9%2Fimg%2Favatars%2Fava_0002-72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">yenda</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 11:59</div><div class="msg"><a href="https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fzoom.us%2Fj%2F460622154&amp;sa=D&amp;ust=1537617539526000&amp;usg=AFQjCNGGQwMZw0f3QmUX-faT-yO74ecvFw">https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fzoom.us%2Fj%2F460622154&amp;sa=D&amp;ust=1537617539526000&amp;usg=AFQjCNGGQwMZw0f3QmUX-faT-yO74ecvFw</a></div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/fcc4675bd0ade27de9baefb82098e500.jpg?s=72&d=https%3A%2F%2Fa.slack-edge.com%2F66f9%2Fimg%2Favatars%2Fava_0002-72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">yenda</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 11:59</div><div class="msg"><a href="https://zoom.us/j/460622154">https://zoom.us/j/460622154</a></div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 12:00</div><div class="msg">Notes: <a href="https://hackmd.io/oXOKXab8ST-m6-zgVUNE5A?view">https://hackmd.io/oXOKXab8ST-m6-zgVUNE5A?view</a></div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-08-27/423671855091_1b4f90cfbdd6a3ee2b6f_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">roman</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 12:02</div><div class="msg">thanks</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-08-07/411838218004_c7eba2c8e4f6b1a5ba77_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">graeme</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 12:53</div><div class="msg">@arnetheduck.slack can send me the name of those secure messaging apps you mentioned in call?</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 12:56</div><div class="msg"><a href="https://hackmd.io/2MDws3OvSZ2wz-ULI6tpLQ">https://hackmd.io/2MDws3OvSZ2wz-ULI6tpLQ</a></div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-10-04/251566892466_e37667e6064fe542e7d7_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">naghdy</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 12:57</div><div class="msg">Need to sticky this doc somewhere</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 12:58</div><div class="msg">We should setup a HackMD instance at <a href="http://notes.status.im">http://notes.status.im</a>, I think it's on @jakub?s list but quite a lot of devops prios right now</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-04-23/352364450583_84860327a35f2a5b0e5f_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">jakub</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 12:59</div><div class="msg">I'll keep it in mind</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-04-23/352364450583_84860327a35f2a5b0e5f_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">jakub</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 13:00</div><div class="msg">I need to finish the self-hosted ghost instances and get full eth nodes up, and also add canaries to eth.beta, and few other things, but I can get around to it sometime this week</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-04-23/352364450583_84860327a35f2a5b0e5f_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">jakub</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 13:00</div><div class="msg">depending on how complex it is</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-04-23/352364450583_84860327a35f2a5b0e5f_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">jakub</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 13:01</div><div class="msg"><a href="https://hub.docker.com/r/hackmdio/hackmd/">https://hub.docker.com/r/hackmdio/hackmd/</a> - there's a docker container so it should be realtively easy</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-04-23/352364450583_84860327a35f2a5b0e5f_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">jakub</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 13:01</div><div class="msg">question would be, can we export our current hackmd setup to import it into our self-hosted instnace</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-06-01/375000796951_78d872be972af4441b52_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">exiledsurfer</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 13:01</div><div class="msg">:fire:</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-04-23/352364450583_84860327a35f2a5b0e5f_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">jakub</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 13:03</div><div class="msg"><a href="https://github.com/hackmdio/codimd/issues/823">https://github.com/hackmdio/codimd/issues/823</a></div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-04-23/352364450583_84860327a35f2a5b0e5f_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">jakub</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 13:03</div><div class="msg">seems it's an open feature request</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-04-23/352364450583_84860327a35f2a5b0e5f_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">jakub</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 13:04</div><div class="msg">maybe we can contact their support and get a database dump</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 13:09</div><div class="msg">&gt; question would be, can we export our current hackmd setup to import it into our self-hosted instnace
what current hackmd setup :smile:</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 13:09</div><div class="msg">it's all in random hackmd files</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-04-23/352364450583_84860327a35f2a5b0e5f_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">jakub</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 13:09</div><div class="msg">wait, you mean there is no central account?</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-06-01/375000796951_78d872be972af4441b52_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">exiledsurfer</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 13:11</div><div class="msg">well i have a doc with all the links to team-principles wips that we you could scrape before u do the devops version @jakub lol ;-)</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-06-01/375000796951_78d872be972af4441b52_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">exiledsurfer</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 13:12</div><div class="msg">hackMD we each sign into public files with our google creds afaik</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 13:51</div><div class="msg">Thoughts on how we can limit the call to 90m? I noticed more than half dropped out last 20m, for understandable reasons. We also didn't get to 'regular' updates.</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 13:52</div><div class="msg">And kudos @corey122 for note taking, really useful :slightly_smiling_face: (and @adamb last time! forgot to mention)</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 13:52</div><div class="msg">@vitaliy @arnetheduck.slack @andreap @3esmit I didn't understand the connection with Desktop and <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxy_re-encryption">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxy_re-encryption</a>, maybe cause I dropped for 5-10m - could someone elaborate?</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-07-31/408248212533_6aab8328425c701a55ee_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">corey122</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 13:53</div><div class="msg">happy to help.</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/4f643ff2e520e1b103a3c81fe6d4267c.jpg?s=72&d=https%3A%2F%2Fa.slack-edge.com%2F3654%2Fimg%2Favatars%2Fava_0023-72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">andreap</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 13:53</div><div class="msg">with group chats not desktop</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 13:54</div><div class="msg">oh</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 13:54</div><div class="msg">makes more sense</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/4f643ff2e520e1b103a3c81fe6d4267c.jpg?s=72&d=https%3A%2F%2Fa.slack-edge.com%2F3654%2Fimg%2Favatars%2Fava_0023-72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">andreap</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 13:54</div><div class="msg">nucypher advertises solving group chats encryption</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 13:54</div><div class="msg">where "solving" means what exactly?</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/4f643ff2e520e1b103a3c81fe6d4267c.jpg?s=72&d=https%3A%2F%2Fa.slack-edge.com%2F3654%2Fimg%2Favatars%2Fava_0023-72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">andreap</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 13:55</div><div class="msg">that's the big question, my best understanding so far, is that you are offloading the encrypting of the message to the nucypher network ( basically you encrypt once with your pk, and generate x encryption keys, one for each participants)</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 13:55</div><div class="msg">how does this compare with pair-wise encryption? is it a perf gain?</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/4f643ff2e520e1b103a3c81fe6d4267c.jpg?s=72&d=https%3A%2F%2Fa.slack-edge.com%2F3654%2Fimg%2Favatars%2Fava_0023-72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">andreap</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 13:56</div><div class="msg">perf gain, makes sense for large files (main use case is as a matter of fact encyrpted decentralized storage)</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 13:57</div><div class="msg">makes sense</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 13:57</div><div class="msg">do we know for sure group chat perf is a problem?</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/4f643ff2e520e1b103a3c81fe6d4267c.jpg?s=72&d=https%3A%2F%2Fa.slack-edge.com%2F3654%2Fimg%2Favatars%2Fava_0023-72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">andreap</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 13:57</div><div class="msg">for chat messages, unless you can get a proxy encryption key that works for multiple users it's not useful to us, taking into consideration that you need to use an ephemeral key for that group chat otherwise as you can't give access to your identity key</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 13:57</div><div class="msg">i.e. even for &lt;N participants</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/4f643ff2e520e1b103a3c81fe6d4267c.jpg?s=72&d=https%3A%2F%2Fa.slack-edge.com%2F3654%2Fimg%2Favatars%2Fava_0023-72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">andreap</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 13:58</div><div class="msg">not yet, that is to be tested I think &lt; 20 we are good, but if we want to improve performance we can always use whisper which provides already multicast</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/4f643ff2e520e1b103a3c81fe6d4267c.jpg?s=72&d=https%3A%2F%2Fa.slack-edge.com%2F3654%2Fimg%2Favatars%2Fava_0023-72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">andreap</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 13:58</div><div class="msg">so then you only need to encrypt x times but send once</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 13:59</div><div class="msg">if we are good with &lt;20 I don't see why this is a problem at all</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 13:59</div><div class="msg">especially in the context of desktop blockers?</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/4f643ff2e520e1b103a3c81fe6d4267c.jpg?s=72&d=https%3A%2F%2Fa.slack-edge.com%2F3654%2Fimg%2Favatars%2Fava_0023-72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">andreap</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 13:59</div><div class="msg">I think the discussion digressed :slightly_smiling_face:, nucypher was only a way to implement group chats</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-09-07/237395147762_41041c5be71b2b3bc1d1_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">3esmit</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 14:02</div><div class="msg">I loved proxy reencryption *magic*. After this I was always more to use a "shared key".
The *shared key" might be interesting to this other type or "temporarily private messaging groups"</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/4f643ff2e520e1b103a3c81fe6d4267c.jpg?s=72&d=https%3A%2F%2Fa.slack-edge.com%2F3654%2Fimg%2Favatars%2Fava_0023-72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">andreap</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 14:02</div><div class="msg">current (disabled) implementation of group chats uses a shared key</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 14:03</div><div class="msg">From a product POV it's very simple: For "MVP", do pairwise encryption and limit participants to N. Then research and testing for better perf methods can be done concurrently.</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/4f643ff2e520e1b103a3c81fe6d4267c.jpg?s=72&d=https%3A%2F%2Fa.slack-edge.com%2F3654%2Fimg%2Favatars%2Fava_0023-72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">andreap</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 14:03</div><div class="msg">yes, I agree</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-01-02/293014428163_b01bcf59624d5102f799_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">vitaliy</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 14:03</div><div class="msg">sounds good to me as well</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-09-07/237395147762_41041c5be71b2b3bc1d1_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">3esmit</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 14:04</div><div class="msg">Yes, the disavatange of this method is the "coordination" of this key, but if we want to elaborate into "shared key", I would love to try figuring out how to make "shared key" usable.</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-01-11/298391058247_5455b8ad9c31c09d2bf2_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">dmitry.shulyak</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 14:04</div><div class="msg">re whisper traffic rate limiting:
i noticed there is a question regarding implementation details. it is in 1186 and 1193 in status-go repository.
1186 is about general connection rate limit with token buckets. limiting is done based on public key identity, and maybe will be moved to ip address after evaluation.
1193 - per topic rate limiting. i will provide my perspective on integration this week. but in short - whisper will be instrumented with per-topic traffic observer. if any topic goes above the limit - client of status-go will be able to notice that. and remove an appropriate topic from their own rate limit.</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/4f643ff2e520e1b103a3c81fe6d4267c.jpg?s=72&d=https%3A%2F%2Fa.slack-edge.com%2F3654%2Fimg%2Favatars%2Fava_0023-72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">andreap</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 14:04</div><div class="msg">as a matter of fact, the first build for android is already out, working now on desktop, <a href="https://status-im.slack.com/archives/C801W3L86/p1537192932000100">https://status-im.slack.com/archives/C801W3L86/p1537192932000100</a> if anyone knows how to fix this :slightly_smiling_face:</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-01-11/298391058247_5455b8ad9c31c09d2bf2_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">dmitry.shulyak</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 14:05</div><div class="msg"><a href="https://status-im.slack.com/archives/CBZ0FHB27/p1537193063000100?thread_ts=1537185623.000100&amp;cid=CBZ0FHB27">https://status-im.slack.com/archives/CBZ0FHB27/p1537193063000100?thread_ts=1537185623.000100&amp;cid=CBZ0FHB27</a></div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/4f643ff2e520e1b103a3c81fe6d4267c.jpg?s=72&d=https%3A%2F%2Fa.slack-edge.com%2F3654%2Fimg%2Favatars%2Fava_0023-72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">andreap</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 14:05</div><div class="msg">@3esmit quite a few chats use a shared key approach , multi user DH is probably the most used way</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-09-07/237395147762_41041c5be71b2b3bc1d1_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">3esmit</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 14:07</div><div class="msg">Regarding proxy reencryption, how that could be used to later on release contents of a message, the case of "temporary private message groups"?</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-29/291837550193_7c75b6459537f373c8e1_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">igor680</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 14:08</div><div class="msg">Limit the topics, maybe? Or, I?m not sure, sometimes it is better (for this meeting) to discuss something in depth than have a report-like structure.</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-01-11/298391058247_5455b8ad9c31c09d2bf2_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">dmitry.shulyak</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 14:13</div><div class="msg">re whisper and libp2p <a href="https://github.com/ethereum/go-ethereum/pull/16419">https://github.com/ethereum/go-ethereum/pull/16419</a>
there are several issues with that.
there is no real benefit in doing it. we will have to run 2 servers on mobile device. assuming we will be using les at some point.
libp2p server is not instrumented with heartbeats which we can easily tweak. we are heavily relying on those to provide "reliable" writes.
it will make our new network disconnected from old one, unless we implement devp2p&lt;-&gt;libp2p whisper proxy.</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 14:13</div><div class="msg">we r dessentraliised @jakub</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-04-23/352364450583_84860327a35f2a5b0e5f_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">jakub</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 14:13</div><div class="msg">ha ha</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/4f643ff2e520e1b103a3c81fe6d4267c.jpg?s=72&d=https%3A%2F%2Fa.slack-edge.com%2F3654%2Fimg%2Favatars%2Fava_0023-72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">andreap</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 14:13</div><div class="msg">not sure I understand the question ( you mean how to allow users who were not in the chat to decypt previous messages), if that is the question, you would have to generate a re-encryption key and re-generate the messages encrypted with that key, so fairly cumbersome</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-09-07/237395147762_41041c5be71b2b3bc1d1_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">3esmit</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 14:22</div><div class="msg">Not exactly that, I wanted that after a period of time, or after a group consensus, the some past messages could become "open public".</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-09-07/237395147762_41041c5be71b2b3bc1d1_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">3esmit</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 14:24</div><div class="msg">This is the case of Status, where we want to discuss things that "could impact SNT value", but we don't want to "mess with investors hopes and fears", so we keep some things private for some time, and later those messages become "speculation worthless" we open release them</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-29/291837550193_7c75b6459537f373c8e1_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">igor680</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 14:31</div><div class="msg">afaik, this is just a pilot project of switching the whole geth to libp2p</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-02-06/310412231971_aab33885aa55d16e4740_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">arnetheduck.slack</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 14:37</div><div class="msg">the sad thing about proxy reencryption and most shared key solution is the degraded security properties you get as a result - no more forward secrecy etc.. <a href="https://eprint.iacr.org/2017/666.pdf">https://eprint.iacr.org/2017/666.pdf</a> is a good read on the subject</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-09-07/237395147762_41041c5be71b2b3bc1d1_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">3esmit</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 14:41</div><div class="msg">@oskarth filled in what you requested in the hackmd</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/4f643ff2e520e1b103a3c81fe6d4267c.jpg?s=72&d=https%3A%2F%2Fa.slack-edge.com%2F3654%2Fimg%2Favatars%2Fava_0023-72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">andreap</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 14:45</div><div class="msg">@3esmit in that case you can just release the encryption keys, as long as you are using symmetric encryption is ok, (not sure that's something we would like to do), OTR does something similar with MAC keys, they publish them in cleartext to increase deniability</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-01-11/298391058247_5455b8ad9c31c09d2bf2_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">dmitry.shulyak</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 14:47</div><div class="msg">maybe, just mentioned problems that i remember</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-29/291837550193_7c75b6459537f373c8e1_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">igor680</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 14:47</div><div class="msg">Yeah, the transitioning period might be painful</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-01-11/298391058247_5455b8ad9c31c09d2bf2_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">dmitry.shulyak</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 14:53</div><div class="msg">as i remember they want to use ENR in discovery first. so that peer can hint at which connection method is preferable</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-29/291837550193_7c75b6459537f373c8e1_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">igor680</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 14:54</div><div class="msg">I?m not sure about whisper, but that would be cool and probably is a requirement for geth</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-02-06/310412231971_aab33885aa55d16e4740_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">arnetheduck.slack</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 14:54</div><div class="msg">uh, there's a huge benefit if the move to libp2p happens - it becomes trivial to run all kinds of endpoints, including websockets, webrtc, pure-udp, mesh networking etc etc - as-is now, we're facing an uphill battle - I mean it's embarrassing - how can we claim to be censorship resistant when the app _doesn't even run on an airport wifi_.. we need the community to run all kinds of protocols and enpoints for this to happen and libp2p is a (very) viable option to get there</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-01-11/298391058247_5455b8ad9c31c09d2bf2_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">dmitry.shulyak</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 14:57</div><div class="msg">you might be right. i am not sure that the transport was a problem in the airport though</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-02-06/310412231971_aab33885aa55d16e4740_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">arnetheduck.slack</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 14:58</div><div class="msg">whisper runs on some weird port and doesn't look like http or https - not even thinking about deliberate censorship, these two things tend to be the first things that get blocked on "public" internet infrastructure like airports, libraries etc...</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-01-11/298391058247_5455b8ad9c31c09d2bf2_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">dmitry.shulyak</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 15:00</div><div class="msg">libp2p server also runs by default on weird port. it does support multiple transport though</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-01-11/298391058247_5455b8ad9c31c09d2bf2_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">dmitry.shulyak</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 15:00</div><div class="msg">we use it btw in status-go for different thing</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-01-11/298391058247_5455b8ad9c31c09d2bf2_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">dmitry.shulyak</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 15:03</div><div class="msg">are they doing traffic analysis in the airport?</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 15:04</div><div class="msg">Port blocking</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-01-11/298391058247_5455b8ad9c31c09d2bf2_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">dmitry.shulyak</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 15:05</div><div class="msg">so libp2p will be equally blocked. i bet if we will blindly swap devp2p with libp2p nothing will change</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-01-11/298391058247_5455b8ad9c31c09d2bf2_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">dmitry.shulyak</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 15:05</div><div class="msg">anyway, definitely not against it if people feel strongly that we need to integrate it right now. very well written library. imo it will be somewhat hard to integrate it atm</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 15:07</div><div class="msg">The context of the call is that the Ethereum community as a whole think this is a priority. We have the chance to push for trying it and helping Geth etc switch to it, actively. This will enable a lot of good stuff for us and community as a whole, as alluded to above and also in all core dev calls. </div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 15:08</div><div class="msg">Would you be able to join next dev call btw? Might be easier to have these types of discussions there with back and forth and more input from diverse group of people</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-01-11/298391058247_5455b8ad9c31c09d2bf2_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">dmitry.shulyak</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 15:09</div><div class="msg">yes, sure</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-02-06/310412231971_aab33885aa55d16e4740_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">arnetheduck.slack</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 15:15</div><div class="msg">a big part of the libp2p ethos is transport neutrality and decoupling - the fact that a particular instance of it runs on a specific port is an implementation detail.. what they're doing is splitting up the problem and defining minimal interfaces for each component to run - a key way in which we could contribute would be to write mobile-tuned implementations of those interfaces</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 15:17</div><div class="msg">I absolutely love this: <a href="https://multiformats.io/">https://multiformats.io/</a>
e.g. <a href="https://multiformats.io/multihash">https://multiformats.io/multihash</a> and <a href="https://multiformats.io/multiaddr/">https://multiformats.io/multiaddr/</a></div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 15:21</div><div class="msg">cheers, this is useful for posterity / people searching our notes</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-02-06/310412231971_aab33885aa55d16e4740_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">arnetheduck.slack</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 16:17</div><div class="msg">just added one more: [cwtch](<a href="https://cwtch.im/">https://cwtch.im/</a>) - extension of the Ricochet protocol that provides asynchronous, offline and multi-party metadata resistant messaging</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-08-07/411838218004_c7eba2c8e4f6b1a5ba77_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">graeme</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 16:39</div><div class="msg">Vote or rank? I.e we only have room for 5 hot topics. The 5 topics with the most votes gets in.</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-07-31/408248212533_6aab8328425c701a55ee_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">corey122</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 16:41</div><div class="msg">don't hate that</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-07-31/408248212533_6aab8328425c701a55ee_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">corey122</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 16:42</div><div class="msg">that should mean we talk about the things that have gotten to a point of development that warrant a more broad discussion</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-06-01/375000796951_78d872be972af4441b52_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">exiledsurfer</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 16:55</div><div class="msg">that's sarah jamie lewis' project i mentioned in june <a href="https://status-im.slack.com/archives/C8SBUT0F9/p1530218423000322">https://status-im.slack.com/archives/C8SBUT0F9/p1530218423000322</a></div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-02-06/310412231971_aab33885aa55d16e4740_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">arnetheduck.slack</div><div class="time">2018-09-17 17:52</div><div class="msg">why all the self-hosted instances? sounds like maintenance trouble more than anything else (it needs backing up, upgrading, etc etc) - ef has their own and it keeps going down, it's a mess..</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-06-01/375000796951_78d872be972af4441b52_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">exiledsurfer</div><div class="time">2018-09-18 10:29</div><div class="msg"><a href="https://status-im.slack.com/archives/C9UKP2DQD/p1537266541000100">https://status-im.slack.com/archives/C9UKP2DQD/p1537266541000100</a></div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/fcc4675bd0ade27de9baefb82098e500.jpg?s=72&d=https%3A%2F%2Fa.slack-edge.com%2F66f9%2Fimg%2Favatars%2Fava_0002-72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">yenda</div><div class="time">2018-09-18 17:23</div><div class="msg">Who wants to be added to the email thread with Guillaume Ballet ?</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-02-06/310412231971_aab33885aa55d16e4740_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">arnetheduck.slack</div><div class="time">2018-09-18 18:16</div><div class="msg">we got a line to the nucypher devs - who wants to join a call? <a href="https://twitter.com/jcksie/status/1041723555694694401">https://twitter.com/jcksie/status/1041723555694694401</a> (have an email thread going)</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/4f643ff2e520e1b103a3c81fe6d4267c.jpg?s=72&d=https%3A%2F%2Fa.slack-edge.com%2F3654%2Fimg%2Favatars%2Fava_0023-72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">andreap</div><div class="time">2018-09-18 18:16</div><div class="msg">I'd like to</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-02-06/310412231971_aab33885aa55d16e4740_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">arnetheduck.slack</div><div class="time">2018-09-18 18:17</div><div class="msg">also send to channel: we got a line to the nucypher devs - who wants to join a call? <a href="https://twitter.com/jcksie/status/1041723555694694401">https://twitter.com/jcksie/status/1041723555694694401</a> (have an email thread going)</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-07-31/408248212533_6aab8328425c701a55ee_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">corey122</div><div class="time">2018-09-18 18:22</div><div class="msg">&lt;--- This guy</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-09-26 10:55</div><div class="msg"><!here> Reminder to please add stuff to the agenda <a href="https://github.com/status-im/pm/issues/5">https://github.com/status-im/pm/issues/5</a> - I'd like to finalize the agenda this week if possible, so we avoid a long and overlapping last minute agenda like last time.
Context and goal for each item appreciated, as this gives people the context they need to understand the problem, and goal to make it clear what we are trying to achieve and when we can move on from the topic.</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-09-27 04:09</div><div class="msg">**Deadline for adding items to the agenda is this week.** See <a href="https://github.com/status-im/pm/issues/5#issuecomment-424951317">https://github.com/status-im/pm/issues/5#issuecomment-424951317</a> for more
I know there's plenty of stuff to talk about, pinging a few stuff off the top of my head:
- @jakub runbooks / howto respond
- @adamb status node running; mailserver follow up
- swarm pss? @yenda @pedro?
- log based comms actual decision or clear next steps? @arnetheduck.slack
- related to above: swarm mail server mutable name resource for mailserver thing
- push notification server and extensions use case for async stuff? @jeluard @pedro thread re partner integration, has big impact on mail server stuff
- note that several of the ones above here are related, but they can't be properly clustered if we don't take the time to write them up in advance, so they can be merged etc as appropriate
- docs update sup each team? @cryptowanderer maybe?
- OKR @rachel maybe want to bring something re how eng prefer to do this type of thing?
- desktop not sure if something here @chad @vitaliy
It'd be great if we could get some solid discussion on just a few of the ones above, imo</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-05-11/181684552369_66f21f8981bdb0f83bdd_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">cryptowanderer</div><div class="time">2018-09-27 08:04</div><div class="msg">happy to do a docs update @oskarth :+1:</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-08-07/411838218004_c7eba2c8e4f6b1a5ba77_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">graeme</div><div class="time">2018-09-28 08:43</div><div class="msg">Hi <!channel>, after last weeks Monday Dev meeting having too many "hot topics" to be discussed in the allocated time. The SNT voting swam thought this would be a perfect application of the voting dapp to collectively decide which topics should be discussed. Here is a discuss post which goes into more detail: <a href="https://discuss.status.im/t/on-chain-voting-and-monday-core-developer-meeting-a-learning-opportunity/481">https://discuss.status.im/t/on-chain-voting-and-monday-core-developer-meeting-a-learning-opportunity/481</a>. In order to execute this without a hitch could you kindly add your status contact code and most importantly your Status wallet address in the excel sheet so we can send you the voting tokens. Thank you and hope you enjoy the experiment. <a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kNBDB0EwstptOwUpnZW3Hn0lq85_z2hOd17yHl2ZiWg/edit?usp=sharing">https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kNBDB0EwstptOwUpnZW3Hn0lq85_z2hOd17yHl2ZiWg/edit?usp=sharing</a></div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-09-28 14:38</div><div class="msg">also cc @corey122 if you have something</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-07-31/408248212533_6aab8328425c701a55ee_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">corey122</div><div class="time">2018-09-28 14:43</div><div class="msg">yeah, ENS security audit has been given, we are working with them now to fix up the issues they found.</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-07-31/408248212533_6aab8328425c701a55ee_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">corey122</div><div class="time">2018-09-28 14:43</div><div class="msg">I'll comment on the Agenda</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-08-07/411838218004_c7eba2c8e4f6b1a5ba77_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">graeme</div><div class="time">2018-09-30 22:48</div><div class="msg">@rramos @pedro @exiledsurfer @divan @guylouis @andreaf Thank you so much for sharing you status wallet address. I have put 100 SCDM (Status Core Developer Meeting) Tokens in your wallet accounts. <!here> friendly reminder that if you want voting tokens for the meeting hot topics please add your wallet address to the google spread sheet in the discuss post.</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 03:26</div><div class="msg">added! thanks</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 03:27</div><div class="msg">how are you proposing we add the items? copy paste from GH? e.g. the p2p infra post by Adam is really 3 topics, will that be reflected?</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-08-07/411838218004_c7eba2c8e4f6b1a5ba77_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">graeme</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 06:15</div><div class="msg">It will reflect as an option in the vote</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-08-07/411838218004_c7eba2c8e4f6b1a5ba77_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">graeme</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 06:15</div><div class="msg">Will upload a short demo video explaining it</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-08-07/411838218004_c7eba2c8e4f6b1a5ba77_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">graeme</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 06:16</div><div class="msg">So copy and paste from GH to an option for a poll</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-08-23/230590927909_ddd8ad9c4f223a701b35_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">adan</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 06:46</div><div class="msg">Hi all, I have a flight today, so won't be able to join the dev meeting </div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-06-01/375000796951_78d872be972af4441b52_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">exiledsurfer</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 06:49</div><div class="msg">when will the poll happen? </div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/4f643ff2e520e1b103a3c81fe6d4267c.jpg?s=72&d=https%3A%2F%2Fa.slack-edge.com%2F3654%2Fimg%2Favatars%2Fava_0023-72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">andreap</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 07:35</div><div class="msg">I will probably skip today's meeting as I have an headache, so I will withdraw my topic for today, I can draft a discuss topic or add to the next meeting</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-02-23/319521513136_d6db8eeb85a03cb7d705_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">andreaf</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 07:37</div><div class="msg">unfortunately me too, I have an allergies test so I will be away a couple of hourse. I think I can follow it from the phone though!</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-08-07/411838218004_c7eba2c8e4f6b1a5ba77_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">graeme</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 07:41</div><div class="msg">roughly hour before meeting</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 08:49</div><div class="msg">can we do it earlier? not everyone might be online etc</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-08-07/411838218004_c7eba2c8e4f6b1a5ba77_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">graeme</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 09:09</div><div class="msg">Sure</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-08-07/411838218004_c7eba2c8e4f6b1a5ba77_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">graeme</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 09:10</div><div class="msg">the caveat is that the poll will lock token balances</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-08-07/411838218004_c7eba2c8e4f6b1a5ba77_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">graeme</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 09:11</div><div class="msg">right know I only have 8 people's wallet addresses including mine</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-08-07/411838218004_c7eba2c8e4f6b1a5ba77_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">graeme</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 09:11</div><div class="msg">which in itself is interesting</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-08-07/411838218004_c7eba2c8e4f6b1a5ba77_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">graeme</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 09:14</div><div class="msg"><!here> I'm gonna be creating the poll for meeting today in next hour, please add you wallet address to this spreadsheet <a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kNBDB0EwstptOwUpnZW3Hn0lq85_z2hOd17yHl2ZiWg/edit#gid=0">https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kNBDB0EwstptOwUpnZW3Hn0lq85_z2hOd17yHl2ZiWg/edit#gid=0</a> to get some sweet SCDM tokens to vote with</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/fcc4675bd0ade27de9baefb82098e500.jpg?s=72&d=https%3A%2F%2Fa.slack-edge.com%2F66f9%2Fimg%2Favatars%2Fava_0002-72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">yenda</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 09:22</div><div class="msg">done</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-08-07/411838218004_c7eba2c8e4f6b1a5ba77_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">graeme</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 09:25</div><div class="msg">:raised_hands:</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 09:27</div><div class="msg">eh whatever, they can vote next time</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 09:27</div><div class="msg">:x</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-08-07/411838218004_c7eba2c8e4f6b1a5ba77_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">graeme</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 09:31</div><div class="msg">sent to yourself @rachel @micheleb</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-06-01/375000796951_78d872be972af4441b52_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">exiledsurfer</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 09:37</div><div class="msg">'scuse the question, but where will the poll be?</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-08-07/411838218004_c7eba2c8e4f6b1a5ba77_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">graeme</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 10:12</div><div class="msg">I'll share link in group</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-08-07/411838218004_c7eba2c8e4f6b1a5ba77_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">graeme</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 10:12</div><div class="msg">good question though</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-08-07/411838218004_c7eba2c8e4f6b1a5ba77_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">graeme</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 10:13</div><div class="msg">Really appreciate the chance to test this out with you all, tons of detailing coming out from an operational perspective</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-06-01/375000796951_78d872be972af4441b52_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">exiledsurfer</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 10:14</div><div class="msg">@graeme don't see any tokens in my status wallet, should they show up in metamask?</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-08-07/411838218004_c7eba2c8e4f6b1a5ba77_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">graeme</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 10:19</div><div class="msg">they wont show up in the UI I'm afraid, you will see em on etherscan though</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-08-07/411838218004_c7eba2c8e4f6b1a5ba77_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">graeme</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 10:26</div><div class="msg">ok, gonna create the poll now, this means if you dont have tokens you will not be able to vote. 13 people have tokens.</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-08-07/411838218004_c7eba2c8e4f6b1a5ba77_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">graeme</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 10:27</div><div class="msg">last chance saloon, please add your wallet address to the spreadsheet above</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-06-01/375000796951_78d872be972af4441b52_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">exiledsurfer</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 10:31</div><div class="msg">yup. <a href="https://etherscan.io/tx/0x71df62096d40fd87d37ab93b668a13b17d8f324321ea9d77580f320c34965a90">https://etherscan.io/tx/0x71df62096d40fd87d37ab93b668a13b17d8f324321ea9d77580f320c34965a90</a></div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-08-07/411838218004_c7eba2c8e4f6b1a5ba77_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">graeme</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 10:46</div><div class="msg"><a href="https://ipfs.infura.io/ipfs/QmYhTGg88WvJh9K86m3JYow3QxdXMkgk8stkTDqy87joZn/">https://ipfs.infura.io/ipfs/QmYhTGg88WvJh9K86m3JYow3QxdXMkgk8stkTDqy87joZn/</a></div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-08-07/411838218004_c7eba2c8e4f6b1a5ba77_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">graeme</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 10:46</div><div class="msg">Brief demo!</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-08-07/411838218004_c7eba2c8e4f6b1a5ba77_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">graeme</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 10:48</div><div class="msg">@rramos @3esmit @micheleb @guylouis @chad @divan @exiledsurfer @andreaf @oskarth @pedro @rachel @yenda Voting is open!</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-08-07/411838218004_c7eba2c8e4f6b1a5ba77_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">graeme</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 10:48</div><div class="msg"><a href="https://ipfs.infura.io/ipfs/QmYhTGg88WvJh9K86m3JYow3QxdXMkgk8stkTDqy87joZn/">https://ipfs.infura.io/ipfs/QmYhTGg88WvJh9K86m3JYow3QxdXMkgk8stkTDqy87joZn/</a></div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-08-07/411838218004_c7eba2c8e4f6b1a5ba77_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">graeme</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 10:48</div><div class="msg">:point_up_2::point_up_2::point_up_2:</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-02-23/319521513136_d6db8eeb85a03cb7d705_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">andreaf</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 10:57</div><div class="msg">@graeme am I supposed to use all my tokens today or do I need to keep them for the next meetings as well?</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 11:09</div><div class="msg">loading loading</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 11:09</div><div class="msg">ah here</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 11:09</div><div class="msg">ah snap it doesn't have description</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 11:10</div><div class="msg">See here for descriptions: <a href="https://github.com/status-im/pm/issues/5">https://github.com/status-im/pm/issues/5</a></div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 11:11</div><div class="msg">I only see some of the suggested topics?</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 11:12</div><div class="msg">e.g. chat message bridge seems to be missing cc @graeme</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-02-26/320279260448_ec6cae0dd4f9145858b4_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">chad</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 11:13</div><div class="msg">Says I don't have a balance</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-08-07/411838218004_c7eba2c8e4f6b1a5ba77_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">graeme</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 11:13</div><div class="msg">chat bridge got removed because @andreap cant make it</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 11:14</div><div class="msg">that's Julien's point no?</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-08-07/411838218004_c7eba2c8e4f6b1a5ba77_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">graeme</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 11:14</div><div class="msg">hmmm</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-08-07/411838218004_c7eba2c8e4f6b1a5ba77_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">graeme</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 11:14</div><div class="msg">def in your wallet <a href="https://etherscan.io/address/0xd0f84a69e09e000cc450eca4094979b4da4d9098#tokentxns">https://etherscan.io/address/0xd0f84a69e09e000cc450eca4094979b4da4d9098#tokentxns</a></div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-08-07/411838218004_c7eba2c8e4f6b1a5ba77_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">graeme</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 11:14</div><div class="msg">Nooooo you right</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-08-07/411838218004_c7eba2c8e4f6b1a5ba77_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">graeme</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 11:15</div><div class="msg">there is an add poll function for the controller</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-08-07/411838218004_c7eba2c8e4f6b1a5ba77_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">graeme</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 11:15</div><div class="msg">lemme see if I can add</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-02-26/320279260448_ec6cae0dd4f9145858b4_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">chad</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 11:16</div><div class="msg">Appearing now</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-08-07/411838218004_c7eba2c8e4f6b1a5ba77_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">graeme</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 11:16</div><div class="msg">just confirming that your wallet you using to access the dapp?</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-08-07/411838218004_c7eba2c8e4f6b1a5ba77_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">graeme</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 11:16</div><div class="msg">phew</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/2674ec9e762bcd011c9542c1b787ce13.jpg?s=72&d=https%3A%2F%2Fa.slack-edge.com%2F66f9%2Fimg%2Favatars%2Fava_0019-72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">jeluard</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 11:16</div><div class="msg">The bald bearded fallacy</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-02-26/320279260448_ec6cae0dd4f9145858b4_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">chad</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 11:17</div><div class="msg">Found one quirk?. says I have 100 SCDM but if I try to use all 10 votes on 1 issue it says my balance is not enough</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-08-07/411838218004_c7eba2c8e4f6b1a5ba77_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">graeme</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 11:20</div><div class="msg">Gonna create another poll</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-08-07/411838218004_c7eba2c8e4f6b1a5ba77_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">graeme</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 11:20</div><div class="msg">Only one voter so far on existing poll</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-08-07/411838218004_c7eba2c8e4f6b1a5ba77_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">graeme</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 11:23</div><div class="msg">New poll with chat bridge! <a href="https://ipfs.infura.io/ipfs/QmYhTGg88WvJh9K86m3JYow3QxdXMkgk8stkTDqy87joZn/">https://ipfs.infura.io/ipfs/QmYhTGg88WvJh9K86m3JYow3QxdXMkgk8stkTDqy87joZn/</a></div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-08-07/411838218004_c7eba2c8e4f6b1a5ba77_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">graeme</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 11:24</div><div class="msg">@chad @oskarth I created a new poll because I left out a topic <a href="https://ipfs.infura.io/ipfs/QmYhTGg88WvJh9K86m3JYow3QxdXMkgk8stkTDqy87joZn/">https://ipfs.infura.io/ipfs/QmYhTGg88WvJh9K86m3JYow3QxdXMkgk8stkTDqy87joZn/</a></div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-08-07/411838218004_c7eba2c8e4f6b1a5ba77_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">graeme</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 11:24</div><div class="msg">Thats the one to use, most recent one from the top</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 11:24</div><div class="msg">same url right</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-08-07/411838218004_c7eba2c8e4f6b1a5ba77_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">graeme</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 11:25</div><div class="msg">yup</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-08-07/411838218004_c7eba2c8e4f6b1a5ba77_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">graeme</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 11:25</div><div class="msg">will need a refresh</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-02-26/320279260448_ec6cae0dd4f9145858b4_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">chad</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 11:28</div><div class="msg">also kinda cool is that Status created a Dapp channel chat for the poll :slightly_smiling_face: (or at least for all of infura)</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/3fbb10b8c7115b8c44459363fb6476cf.jpg?s=72&d=https%3A%2F%2Fa.slack-edge.com%2F66f9%2Fimg%2Favatars%2Fava_0007-72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">divan</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 11:32</div><div class="msg">Getting "Not enough ETH for gas" when trying to vote. I also don't see any received tokens.</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-06-06/376145814673_25fb6ff197e6a87c2368_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">guylouis</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 11:37</div><div class="msg">I don't see any received tokens either in status app, I see them on etherscan though.</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-02-23/319521513136_d6db8eeb85a03cb7d705_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">andreaf</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 11:38</div><div class="msg">yeah you need a little bit of ETH to submit your votes</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-02-23/319521513136_d6db8eeb85a03cb7d705_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">andreaf</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 11:38</div><div class="msg">you can check if you have the tokens on <a href="http://etherscan.io">http://etherscan.io</a></div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 11:38</div><div class="msg"><a href="https://get.status.im/chat/public/status-core-devs">https://get.status.im/chat/public/status-core-devs</a></div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 11:39</div><div class="msg">or maybe #status-core-devs is better?</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-08-07/411838218004_c7eba2c8e4f6b1a5ba77_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">graeme</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 11:41</div><div class="msg">it costs about 50c USD to vote</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-08-07/411838218004_c7eba2c8e4f6b1a5ba77_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">graeme</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 11:41</div><div class="msg"><a href="https://etherscan.io/address/0x632319860015ad1b661df5f044bd441b72c56b9a#tokentxns">https://etherscan.io/address/0x632319860015ad1b661df5f044bd441b72c56b9a#tokentxns</a></div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-08-07/411838218004_c7eba2c8e4f6b1a5ba77_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">graeme</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 11:42</div><div class="msg">@divan chad was having same problem</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-08-07/411838218004_c7eba2c8e4f6b1a5ba77_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">graeme</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 11:42</div><div class="msg">had to refresh app</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-08-07/411838218004_c7eba2c8e4f6b1a5ba77_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">graeme</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 11:42</div><div class="msg">I think having the conversation in Status will lead to a higher conversion rate with on-chain governance</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/3fbb10b8c7115b8c44459363fb6476cf.jpg?s=72&d=https%3A%2F%2Fa.slack-edge.com%2F66f9%2Fimg%2Favatars%2Fava_0007-72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">divan</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 11:43</div><div class="msg">I just reinstalled from nightly before trying. But that's true, I don't have any eth.</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 11:43</div><div class="msg">@oskarth set the channel topic: <a href="https://get.status.im/chat/public/status-core-devs">https://get.status.im/chat/public/status-core-devs</a></div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 11:43</div><div class="msg">going to take voting and put as agenda for hackmd</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/3fbb10b8c7115b8c44459363fb6476cf.jpg?s=72&d=https%3A%2F%2Fa.slack-edge.com%2F66f9%2Fimg%2Favatars%2Fava_0007-72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">divan</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 11:43</div><div class="msg">Do we have our faucet on Mainnet? :slightly_smiling_face:</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-08-07/411838218004_c7eba2c8e4f6b1a5ba77_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">graeme</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 11:45</div><div class="msg">for ETH?</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-08-07/411838218004_c7eba2c8e4f6b1a5ba77_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">graeme</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 11:45</div><div class="msg">I'll send you some to vote with</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-08-07/411838218004_c7eba2c8e4f6b1a5ba77_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">graeme</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 11:46</div><div class="msg">sent!</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-06-01/375000796951_78d872be972af4441b52_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">exiledsurfer</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 11:47</div><div class="msg">voted :-)</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 11:47</div><div class="msg">@jonny.z thoughts on Livepeer link btw? are we gonna tweet out this time?</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/3fbb10b8c7115b8c44459363fb6476cf.jpg?s=72&d=https%3A%2F%2Fa.slack-edge.com%2F66f9%2Fimg%2Favatars%2Fava_0007-72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">divan</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 11:48</div><div class="msg">Thanks! But something strange, let me double chech the address in Google Doc...</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-09-12/240066984213_b35ca6f6b9658bf5cabb_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">jonny.z</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 11:48</div><div class="msg">is it working?</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-09-12/240066984213_b35ca6f6b9658bf5cabb_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">jonny.z</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 11:48</div><div class="msg">happy to tweet about the meeting.</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 11:48</div><div class="msg">lol hackmd link is broken, need to sign in... creating new</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 11:49</div><div class="msg">Notes: please help me fill out hot topics based on votes <a href="https://hackmd.io/WwyyOKHdQOajqzjzgzHqnw">https://hackmd.io/WwyyOKHdQOajqzjzgzHqnw</a></div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-08-07/411838218004_c7eba2c8e4f6b1a5ba77_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">graeme</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 11:49</div><div class="msg">ya, tokens need to be manually added to status wallet to appear in UI</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-06-06/376145814673_25fb6ff197e6a87c2368_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">guylouis</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 11:49</div><div class="msg">ok</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-08-07/411838218004_c7eba2c8e4f6b1a5ba77_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">graeme</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 11:49</div><div class="msg">will show in UI of voting dapp</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/3fbb10b8c7115b8c44459363fb6476cf.jpg?s=72&d=https%3A%2F%2Fa.slack-edge.com%2F66f9%2Fimg%2Favatars%2Fava_0007-72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">divan</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 11:50</div><div class="msg">Seems correct. "Status Wallet Address" in spreadsheet is what I see in Status app under QR code when choose "Receive the transaction", right?</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-06-01/375000796951_78d872be972af4441b52_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">exiledsurfer</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 11:50</div><div class="msg">use <a href="http://notes.status.im">http://notes.status.im</a> in the future @oskarth </div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 11:50</div><div class="msg">it's not working yet</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-08-07/411838218004_c7eba2c8e4f6b1a5ba77_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">graeme</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 11:50</div><div class="msg">yup</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 11:50</div><div class="msg">when it is working I'll use it, I requested it specifically</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 11:52</div><div class="msg">I don't know how livepeer setup works :slightly_smiling_face:</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-08-07/411838218004_c7eba2c8e4f6b1a5ba77_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">graeme</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 11:52</div><div class="msg">@chad is the dapp/chat link on nightly?</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-06-01/375000796951_78d872be972af4441b52_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">exiledsurfer</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 11:52</div><div class="msg">link for call? its not in the calendar</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 11:53</div><div class="msg">huh</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-01-02/293014428163_b01bcf59624d5102f799_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">vitaliy</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 11:53</div><div class="msg"><a href="https://zoom.us/j/460622154">https://zoom.us/j/460622154</a></div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-01-02/293014428163_b01bcf59624d5102f799_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">vitaliy</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 11:53</div><div class="msg">It is</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-01-02/293014428163_b01bcf59624d5102f799_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">vitaliy</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 11:53</div><div class="msg">at least for me</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-06-01/375000796951_78d872be972af4441b52_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">exiledsurfer</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 11:53</div><div class="msg">weird</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-06-01/375000796951_78d872be972af4441b52_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">exiledsurfer</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 11:53</div><div class="msg">thx</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 11:53</div><div class="msg">yeah its there in blue one anyway</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 11:53</div><div class="msg">Zoom link: <a href="https://zoom.us/j/460622154">https://zoom.us/j/460622154</a>
Notes: <a href="https://hackmd.io/WwyyOKHdQOajqzjzgzHqnw">https://hackmd.io/WwyyOKHdQOajqzjzgzHqnw</a></div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-06-01/375000796951_78d872be972af4441b52_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">exiledsurfer</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 11:54</div><div class="msg">i only have a red one... </div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-09-12/240066984213_b35ca6f6b9658bf5cabb_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">jonny.z</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 11:54</div><div class="msg">thats @hutch domain</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-09-12/240066984213_b35ca6f6b9658bf5cabb_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">jonny.z</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 11:54</div><div class="msg">hows this for twitter copy:
```Core devs meeting starting in 5 minutes. Agenda:
- Chat message bridge
- Rethinking MailServer v2
- Fork fork fork
- and more
Tune in on YouTube <a href="https://www.youtube.com/c/Statusim/live">https://www.youtube.com/c/Statusim/live</a>```</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 11:55</div><div class="msg">haha</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 11:55</div><div class="msg">I mean the none Status Calendar one</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 11:56</div><div class="msg">I'd say take top 3 and say "and more"</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 11:56</div><div class="msg">otherwise looks great</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-02-26/320279260448_ec6cae0dd4f9145858b4_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">chad</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 11:57</div><div class="msg">Yep! There is a Chat icon at the bottom of the browser toolbar. Tap that</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-08-07/411838218004_c7eba2c8e4f6b1a5ba77_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">graeme</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 11:59</div><div class="msg">Ok, at this point Rethinking mail servers is in the lead with 49 votes followed by fork fork fork with a close 36 votes. Chat bridge is coming in with 18 and P2P Docs and Status nodes coming in at 11 votes! its anyones game for 3rd topic!</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-08-07/411838218004_c7eba2c8e4f6b1a5ba77_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">graeme</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 12:00</div><div class="msg">Smart contracts in the mix with 12 votes!</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-02-23/319521513136_d6db8eeb85a03cb7d705_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">andreaf</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 12:00</div><div class="msg">I voted 10 minutes ago but my transaction still have 0 confirmation</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-08-07/411838218004_c7eba2c8e4f6b1a5ba77_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">graeme</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 12:01</div><div class="msg">can you send the transaction hash</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-02-06/310412231971_aab33885aa55d16e4740_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">arnetheduck.slack</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 12:01</div><div class="msg">likewise, will miss meeting today</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-08-07/411838218004_c7eba2c8e4f6b1a5ba77_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">graeme</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 12:02</div><div class="msg">Chat bridge surges with 20 votes! into third topic place</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 12:03</div><div class="msg">already finalized agenda fyi</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-02-23/319521513136_d6db8eeb85a03cb7d705_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">andreaf</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 12:03</div><div class="msg"><a href="https://etherscan.io/tx/0x18beac9ee36d0bd35dd1de3357f46b7a0b4871ce32043137c09cd03ecfb4bbdb">https://etherscan.io/tx/0x18beac9ee36d0bd35dd1de3357f46b7a0b4871ce32043137c09cd03ecfb4bbdb</a></div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-08-07/411838218004_c7eba2c8e4f6b1a5ba77_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">graeme</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 12:04</div><div class="msg">hmmm</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-08-07/411838218004_c7eba2c8e4f6b1a5ba77_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">graeme</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 12:04</div><div class="msg">its a little behind gas station safe low</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-08-07/411838218004_c7eba2c8e4f6b1a5ba77_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">graeme</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 12:05</div><div class="msg">but only just at 7.2 Gwei</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-08-07/411838218004_c7eba2c8e4f6b1a5ba77_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">graeme</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 12:05</div><div class="msg">gas station is 8gwei</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-02-23/319521513136_d6db8eeb85a03cb7d705_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">andreaf</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 12:05</div><div class="msg">ah ok I just used the default gas from the status app. shall I increase it a little bit manually next time?</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-08-07/411838218004_c7eba2c8e4f6b1a5ba77_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">graeme</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 12:05</div><div class="msg">I wonder if a transaction got stuck</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-08-07/411838218004_c7eba2c8e4f6b1a5ba77_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">graeme</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 12:06</div><div class="msg">no, we had a similar issue last night</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-08-07/411838218004_c7eba2c8e4f6b1a5ba77_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">graeme</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 12:06</div><div class="msg">seems if one transaction is slow it holds up others</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-02-23/319521513136_d6db8eeb85a03cb7d705_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">andreaf</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 12:06</div><div class="msg">ok no problem, thank you!</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-08-07/411838218004_c7eba2c8e4f6b1a5ba77_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">graeme</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 12:06</div><div class="msg">CC @rramos</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-07-31/408248212533_6aab8328425c701a55ee_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">corey122</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 12:09</div><div class="msg">it is working for me</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 12:11</div><div class="msg">I mean req login</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-08-07/411838218004_c7eba2c8e4f6b1a5ba77_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">graeme</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 12:13</div><div class="msg">weird it seems to be the last transaction pending</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 12:14</div><div class="msg">should be permission-less</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-08-07/411838218004_c7eba2c8e4f6b1a5ba77_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">graeme</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 12:14</div><div class="msg">Cool!</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-10-04/448613224960_1172d54b59bd12529087_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">rramos</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 12:21</div><div class="msg">Indeed. Seems a similar case to what we experienced yesterday, due to the gas price</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-10-04/448613224960_1172d54b59bd12529087_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">rramos</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 12:22</div><div class="msg">The safe low at this moment is 8.1 gwei, but the average across miners seems to orbit around 16-18</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-10-04/448613224960_1172d54b59bd12529087_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">rramos</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 12:22</div><div class="msg">and this trx in particular is 7.2 gwei</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 12:25</div><div class="msg">oh wow, I missed chat bridge</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 12:25</div><div class="msg">my bad</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 12:25</div><div class="msg">moving to next</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-02-23/319521513136_d6db8eeb85a03cb7d705_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">andreaf</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 12:26</div><div class="msg">in this case the vote will be useless, shall I send to myself an empty transaction so that it's mined before that one and I basically invalidate the one that is stuck?</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-10-04/448613224960_1172d54b59bd12529087_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">rramos</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 12:27</div><div class="msg">yeah. that's what I've seen done on those cases, using same nonce</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-02-23/319521513136_d6db8eeb85a03cb7d705_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">andreaf</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 12:28</div><div class="msg">ok, I'm not sure what would be the nonce generated by status, I don't remember if we kind of a counter in these cases</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-07-31/408248212533_6aab8328425c701a55ee_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">corey122</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 12:41</div><div class="msg">ah, i was under the impression we wanted 2FA... Jacob is staying with me, is there somewhere that you have requirements that we can work to get it up and running properly?</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 12:42</div><div class="msg">anyone should be able to create and edit notes imo</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 12:42</div><div class="msg">at least by default</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-09-07/237395147762_41041c5be71b2b3bc1d1_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">3esmit</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 13:23</div><div class="msg">lets open a swarm for push notifications? or maybe first start some talks about "just" it?</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 13:24</div><div class="msg">I'd love it if we reopened this
<a href="https://ideas.status.im/ideas/086-push-notif-v2/README">https://ideas.status.im/ideas/086-push-notif-v2/README</a>
cc @pedro @yenda</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 13:24</div><div class="msg">also cc @chad</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-09-07/237395147762_41041c5be71b2b3bc1d1_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">3esmit</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 13:35</div><div class="msg">I think we need to dive into a technical PoC that gives what this 086 idea requires. I will read on it and maybe try to start a PoC with embark</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-08-07/411838218004_c7eba2c8e4f6b1a5ba77_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">graeme</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 13:44</div><div class="msg">I think this would make a great OKR</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-01-10/297564958950_752f7f4865590f38fffc_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">pedro</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 13:47</div><div class="msg">@oskarth Definitely. We can bring it back to life as soon as I'm finished with the PR to cross-compile Desktop to Windows. Building a working cross-toolchain is as always a very demanding task in terms of focus to get things just right, so I want to get that out of the way with minimal task switching.</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-02-26/320279260448_ec6cae0dd4f9145858b4_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">chad</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 13:55</div><div class="msg">Let?s discuss priorities in our next #core-chat call. Other priorities are moderation tools and techniques, multi-device features, chat search, file/image support</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-01-10/297564958950_752f7f4865590f38fffc_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">pedro</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 13:56</div><div class="msg">Yeah, not a lot of stuff going on in #core-chat these days :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-10-04/448613224960_1172d54b59bd12529087_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">rramos</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 13:59</div><div class="msg">@chad, For the issue of not being able to allocate the full tokens, are you using the Status App? or a Browser? Does any error appear on the screen?</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-02-26/320279260448_ec6cae0dd4f9145858b4_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">chad</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 14:00</div><div class="msg">Using Status iOS nightly. No error, except the message telling me I don't have enough balance</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-10-04/448613224960_1172d54b59bd12529087_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">rramos</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 14:01</div><div class="msg">and the other items in the poll don't have votes associated to them, right?</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 14:01</div><div class="msg">great stuff, agree with all of the above</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/fcc4675bd0ade27de9baefb82098e500.jpg?s=72&d=https%3A%2F%2Fa.slack-edge.com%2F66f9%2Fimg%2Favatars%2Fava_0002-72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">yenda</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 14:27</div><div class="msg">@chad and notcrashing on bad messages</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-02-26/320279260448_ec6cae0dd4f9145858b4_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">chad</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 14:28</div><div class="msg">Edge case :evil:</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-02-26/320279260448_ec6cae0dd4f9145858b4_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">chad</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 14:28</div><div class="msg">But yeah :slightly_smiling_face:</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-07-31/408248212533_6aab8328425c701a55ee_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">corey122</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 16:53</div><div class="msg">in order to keep track of who does what on it (like keeping track of the notes I've created, etc) we need a login system... is it that it's too exclusive? We need more than just google sign-in?</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 16:56</div><div class="msg">I think optional login is ok but it shouldn't be a blocker, IMO</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 16:57</div><div class="msg">I believe Jacek made a similar point before, otherwise I feel like we are regressing from normal hackmd</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-07-31/408248212533_6aab8328425c701a55ee_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">corey122</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 16:59</div><div class="msg">I see</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-07-31/408248212533_6aab8328425c701a55ee_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">corey122</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 16:59</div><div class="msg">what was the motivator to move from hackmd, and host one ourselves then?</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-07-31/408248212533_6aab8328425c701a55ee_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">corey122</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 16:59</div><div class="msg">just to not rely on them for the service?</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-07-31/408248212533_6aab8328425c701a55ee_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">corey122</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 16:59</div><div class="msg">cc @jakub</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 17:00</div><div class="msg">have one index</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 17:00</div><div class="msg">and sometimes useful to tie with identity</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 17:01</div><div class="msg">I could be wrong but I think <a href="https://notes.ethereum.org/SCIg8AH5SA-O4C1G1LYZHQ?edit">https://notes.ethereum.org/SCIg8AH5SA-O4C1G1LYZHQ?edit</a> allows anyone with a GH account to edit, whereas ours seems to be limited to Status people with google account?</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 17:02</div><div class="msg">maybe people disagree with above, idk</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-07-31/408248212533_6aab8328425c701a55ee_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">corey122</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 17:02</div><div class="msg">i see</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-04-23/352364450583_84860327a35f2a5b0e5f_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">jakub</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 17:02</div><div class="msg">that is correct, our instance allows only people within our google organization</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-07-31/408248212533_6aab8328425c701a55ee_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">corey122</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 17:04</div><div class="msg">and oskar wants it to be more inclusive.</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 17:06</div><div class="msg">Also cc @arnetheduck.slack </div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-04-23/352364450583_84860327a35f2a5b0e5f_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">jakub</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 17:06</div><div class="msg">I... I don't think it can do a mixed mode</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-04-23/352364450583_84860327a35f2a5b0e5f_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">jakub</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 17:07</div><div class="msg">options:
? anyone can access it
? anyone with a google account can access it
? anyone with a google account in <a href="http://Status.im">http://Status.im</a> org can access it</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 17:07</div><div class="msg">What?s downside or 1?</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-04-23/352364450583_84860327a35f2a5b0e5f_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">jakub</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 17:08</div><div class="msg">well, that depends on the permissions you set on your docs</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-04-23/352364450583_84860327a35f2a5b0e5f_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">jakub</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 17:08</div><div class="msg">or what is the default permission level</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 17:08</div><div class="msg">I feel like vandalism is likely to be quite low and we aren?t gonna be writing code that runs here </div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-04-23/352364450583_84860327a35f2a5b0e5f_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">jakub</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 17:08</div><div class="msg">do all docs start as private? or open to anyone? or just viewable to anyone?</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 17:08</div><div class="msg">I'd err on the side of being as public as possible </div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 17:09</div><div class="msg">But please fact check me if people disagree </div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-02-06/310412231971_aab33885aa55d16e4740_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">arnetheduck.slack</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 17:09</div><div class="msg">I like changing my opinion, but usually it takes more than a few days: <a href="https://status-im.slack.com/archives/C5Z5NRYKS/p1538082012000100?thread_ts=1538075702.000100&amp;cid=C5Z5NRYKS">https://status-im.slack.com/archives/C5Z5NRYKS/p1538082012000100?thread_ts=1538075702.000100&amp;cid=C5Z5NRYKS</a> :slightly_smiling_face:</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 17:09</div><div class="msg">Going to bed, also cc @exiledsurfer </div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 17:10</div><div class="msg">I just wanted you to repeat my echo chamber opinion to reinforce the sense of legitimacy Jacek</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-04-23/352364450583_84860327a35f2a5b0e5f_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">jakub</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 17:11</div><div class="msg">I though the point of having our own instance was more control over our content</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-04-23/352364450583_84860327a35f2a5b0e5f_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">jakub</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 17:11</div><div class="msg">but apparently not</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-04-23/352364450583_84860327a35f2a5b0e5f_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">jakub</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 17:11</div><div class="msg">I can disable oauth and turn on free registrations if you want</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-04-23/352364450583_84860327a35f2a5b0e5f_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">jakub</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 17:11</div><div class="msg">though it seems kinda weird</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 17:12</div><div class="msg">To me it's more about self hosting and indexing </div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 17:12</div><div class="msg">I thought tags system could work in our favor this way?</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-04-23/352364450583_84860327a35f2a5b0e5f_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">jakub</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 17:12</div><div class="msg">no idea, never used hackmd =]</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-06-01/375000796951_78d872be972af4441b52_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">exiledsurfer</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 17:15</div><div class="msg">i advocate for 2fa for this instance. </div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-02-06/310412231971_aab33885aa55d16e4740_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">arnetheduck.slack</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 17:15</div><div class="msg">I guess I have the privilege of not having to talk SNT price in these notes. I'm honestly not sure what the motivation for running our own instance is. I'm pretty agnostic as to where it runs or who runs it specifically - everything I put up there has no security implications if it's hacked or lost or whatever. from my pov, whether we run it or hackmd does is not that biggie of a difference. by us running it, I see potential to bridge it to something more cool eventually, like syncing the database to swarm or whatever, but that would take development effort.</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-02-06/310412231971_aab33885aa55d16e4740_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">arnetheduck.slack</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 17:17</div><div class="msg">I sometimes worry that all the self-hosting we do turns us into targets - ie for every service we move to our own infra, we become a more juicy target to attack</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-12-19/289021559940_764a5c704a5a99098d7a_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">oskarth</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 17:20</div><div class="msg">Maybe it was was a bad idea - I like that Ethereum has their own one and I thought it?d help with with content discovery, tagging and some identity stuff. One thing I like about Hackmd is that you can just start typing and your friend too, none of this login stuff. </div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-02-06/310412231971_aab33885aa55d16e4740_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">arnetheduck.slack</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 17:23</div><div class="msg">yeah - that's why I set everything to freely. I guess an upside of running our own could be that we could make everything freely by default :slightly_smiling_face: Ethereum is a good example of why running your own isn't the best of idea - it keeps going down all the time - upstream hackmd has much better uptime :slightly_smiling_face: from a backup point of view however, I must admit that hosting content on upstream hackmd is problematic - if hackmd disappears, so would my notes (no different from status hosting it, but since the notes are status-related, it's kind of natural for the two to die together in that unlikely event)</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-06-01/375000796951_78d872be972af4441b52_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">exiledsurfer</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 17:27</div><div class="msg">we must build WOTs out from where they exist, based on solid security principles and bestbpractices, then extend them out like ripples; we may be hosting this now on our servers, but to move something in to swarm / ipfs, there needs to be something there first. This is also why i talk about "permissioned permissionlessness". The future that i envision is that authentication happens using status (sic) public key - inside our (d)applications. We start with google 2fa b/c that is what we have NAO, and we integrate as iterations in the ecosystem mature to enable them. We need a place for document creation that is not google, as we move to status desktop, and the ecosystem will need such permissioned tools as well. building and using this with 2fa (for doc creation and editing permissions) is not exclusionary, and in line with our principles.</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-06-01/375000796951_78d872be972af4441b52_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">exiledsurfer</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 17:33</div><div class="msg">our.status will have 2fa in the next iteration, and discuss should have it as well.
regarding tags @oskarth, yes- and those tags should be consistent across:
-hackMD
-discuss
-our.status
-docs sites
-and most importantly, AS STATUS CHANNELS,
....to reduce complexity and cognitive overload in human navigation of the status communication infrastructure, and by definition, the ecosystem that it spawns. </div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-06-01/375000796951_78d872be972af4441b52_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">exiledsurfer</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 17:46</div><div class="msg">So, while i appreciate "inclusivity", we should be designing infrastructure which is secure, crawlable, consistent, and persistent - and provesble provenance. We talk the talk of the interplay and tradeoffs between security, authentication, and identity, so we should walk the walk, and build for at least minimum threat models, @oskarth @corey122 , dont you think?
And of course i advocate decentralization and distributed "everything is everywhere but nowhere" information infrastructure, but truth is, we dont have it yet in stable, scaleable, useable form. When we do tjough, we should be ready for it and our data / identity / authentication systems should be portable. Doing this instance of hackMD with 2fa is a challenge to ourselves to implement it with statusbpublic key authentification.
If contributors dont like the current limitation of a domain restricted login with 2fa, they simply dont have to use it, and can continue writing on other instances of hackMD. but for those who do want secure provenance in a limited WOT (status), i dont see why we shouldnt have such an instance.</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-04-23/352364450583_84860327a35f2a5b0e5f_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">jakub</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 18:04</div><div class="msg">I think Michael is on the right track. If people want to keep their notes public they can use public instances of hackmd, if they want them to be restricted to status, they should use <a href="http://notes.status.im">http://notes.status.im</a></div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-04-23/352364450583_84860327a35f2a5b0e5f_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">jakub</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 18:05</div><div class="msg">besides, you can make your doc public if you want</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-04-23/352364450583_84860327a35f2a5b0e5f_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">jakub</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 18:05</div><div class="msg">just the default mode is limited, which means only authed users can access</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-06-01/375000796951_78d872be972af4441b52_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">exiledsurfer</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 18:16</div><div class="msg">it's not that docs are not open to the public, as jacob states, it's that creating them on this instance is. </div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-07-31/408248212533_6aab8328425c701a55ee_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">corey122</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 18:16</div><div class="msg">- Step 1: what are using this instance for as a whole? internal comms / external comms / personal notes / etc ?
- Step 2: How much do we want the public to read / contribute / change of all of these uses?
I'd imagine this is something we use to collab on various endeavors, but not for official external comms. Anyone should be able to read it, but attribution to edits should also be given if we are using this for _productivity_. We have revisioning as a part of it (so we can roll back whatever we need to), but in the case where people are screwing up the productivity of the tool, they should be handled so we can move forward, or the opposite, contributions should be recognized.
Maybe not limiting to _only_ status people (allowing github or something like that) to edits. Think about the discourse... anyone can read, only logined people can contribute.</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-06-01/375000796951_78d872be972af4441b52_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">exiledsurfer</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 18:18</div><div class="msg">afaik, correct me if i'm wrong, @jakub, but 2fa is either / or choice, and we went w/ google instead of github to include contributors who dont work with github; i dont think we can have both auths? </div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-04-23/352364450583_84860327a35f2a5b0e5f_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">jakub</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 18:21</div><div class="msg">I'm not sure, we might be able to have both auths</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-04-23/352364450583_84860327a35f2a5b0e5f_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">jakub</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 18:22</div><div class="msg">the difference is this:
? with github auth I don't seem to have control over who we let in
? with google auth I can restrict to just people within the org</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-07-31/408248212533_6aab8328425c701a55ee_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">corey122</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 18:23</div><div class="msg">I'm ok with not controlling who gets to edit and see stuff... in the end, status (jakub) has administration over the whole thing. this is a notes system, not code or anything like that.... a lot of notes are highly collaborative outside of our org, so ONLY allowing people inside Status to use it is too restrictive.</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-06-01/375000796951_78d872be972af4441b52_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">exiledsurfer</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 18:25</div><div class="msg">no, its not only a notes system, we need a docs creation / storage alternative to google for the organization.</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-06-01/375000796951_78d872be972af4441b52_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">exiledsurfer</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 18:26</div><div class="msg">and that system needs to have some sort of read/write/view permissioning...</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-07-31/408248212533_6aab8328425c701a55ee_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">corey122</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 18:27</div><div class="msg">In that case, I agree.</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-06-01/375000796951_78d872be972af4441b52_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">exiledsurfer</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 18:28</div><div class="msg">yay. @corey122 , i'll add you to my echo chamber confirmers lol</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-06-01/375000796951_78d872be972af4441b52_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">exiledsurfer</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 18:30</div><div class="msg">I'll point out the recent poll that @ben211 did on default google docs settings, the results of which were "private" by default on creation. this is no different, it's just havkMD instead of google docs... that's my thinking.</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-02-06/310412231971_aab33885aa55d16e4740_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">arnetheduck.slack</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 18:30</div><div class="msg">&gt; and that system needs to have some sort of read/write/view permissioning...
and for some of us, it also needs to have an option to turn that stuff off (no, switching from big-us-company-2fa to status identity doesn't materially change this, at least not for me - I'm perfectly happy if people can anonymously edit stuff) - so if that's not possible, it will simply not be used for those purposes, there's really not much more to it</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-02-06/310412231971_aab33885aa55d16e4740_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">arnetheduck.slack</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 18:31</div><div class="msg">and as a corollary, defaults matter because they illustrate the soul of the community</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-06-01/375000796951_78d872be972af4441b52_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">exiledsurfer</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 18:33</div><div class="msg">i dont see how requiring auth for certain services goes against our principles collectively, b/c all defaults involve tradeoffs.</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-06-01/375000796951_78d872be972af4441b52_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">exiledsurfer</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 18:34</div><div class="msg">this might be a thread that @jarradhope @carl @naghdy want to weigh in on as well. </div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-04-23/352364450583_84860327a35f2a5b0e5f_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">jakub</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 18:34</div><div class="msg">yeah, I really don't get what you are saying Jacek
&gt;we have ideals therefore all our docs and notes should be editable by anyone and everyone
I don't see how that follows</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-02-06/310412231971_aab33885aa55d16e4740_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">arnetheduck.slack</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 18:36</div><div class="msg">well, something like this: "we put up this service and if you want to join us in our hacking, you have to have a google account"</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-06-01/375000796951_78d872be972af4441b52_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">exiledsurfer</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 18:36</div><div class="msg">thats not what we're saying, jacek. thats disengenuous.</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-04-23/352364450583_84860327a35f2a5b0e5f_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">jakub</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 18:36</div><div class="msg">I don't see how having our own space for internal notes is somehow stopping people from "joining us in our hacking"</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-04-23/352364450583_84860327a35f2a5b0e5f_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">jakub</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 18:37</div><div class="msg">maybe we should make our internal infra tools publicly available too like <a href="http://consul.status.im">http://consul.status.im</a></div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-04-23/352364450583_84860327a35f2a5b0e5f_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">jakub</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 18:37</div><div class="msg">just to be more open for our community</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-07-31/408248212533_6aab8328425c701a55ee_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">corey122</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 18:38</div><div class="msg">I think the point that Jacek is making is more about the authentication portal we chose... not the fact that we have one.</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-04-23/352364450583_84860327a35f2a5b0e5f_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">jakub</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 18:38</div><div class="msg">well, then we can just make it email invite only, no oauth</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-04-23/352364450583_84860327a35f2a5b0e5f_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">jakub</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 18:39</div><div class="msg">but that also means no 2fa</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-06-01/375000796951_78d872be972af4441b52_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">exiledsurfer</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 18:39</div><div class="msg">no, @corey122 , he says any auth is the prob <a href="https://status-im.slack.com/archives/CBZ0FHB27/p1538418630000100?thread_ts=1538394645.000100&amp;channel=CBZ0FHB27&amp;message_ts=1538418630.000100">https://status-im.slack.com/archives/CBZ0FHB27/p1538418630000100?thread_ts=1538394645.000100&amp;channel=CBZ0FHB27&amp;message_ts=1538418630.000100</a></div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-07-31/408248212533_6aab8328425c701a55ee_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">corey122</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 18:40</div><div class="msg">well... whatever hackmd does with their instance allows for all that... you can create notes anonymously and share them... as well as privatize them. Why can't we just do the same?</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-02-06/310412231971_aab33885aa55d16e4740_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">arnetheduck.slack</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 18:40</div><div class="msg">indeed, I'm saying auth is the prob, sometimes. ie I think this is what @oskarth was alluding to as well at the beginning of this thread.</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-07-31/408248212533_6aab8328425c701a55ee_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">corey122</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 18:41</div><div class="msg">then the benefit of all this is basically having the tags and index of content built on our instance being specific to Status, and not co-mingled with everything everyone else does</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-10-04/251566892466_e37667e6064fe542e7d7_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">naghdy</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 18:41</div><div class="msg">FWiw - I was under assumption that our instance of HackMD was for all our notes to be in one place. I agree with @arnetheduck.slack and @oskarth. I don't see why auth is necessary </div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-06-01/375000796951_78d872be972af4441b52_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">exiledsurfer</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 18:41</div><div class="msg">with the added security level</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-07-31/408248212533_6aab8328425c701a55ee_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">corey122</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 18:42</div><div class="msg">in the instance that certain official information (from Status) can easilybe altered without someone noticing, in the event that it get's large neough for people to watch and want to do something.</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-10-04/251566892466_e37667e6064fe542e7d7_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">naghdy</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 18:42</div><div class="msg">In that event, why would we use HackMD? </div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-07-31/408248212533_6aab8328425c701a55ee_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">corey122</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 18:43</div><div class="msg">because we are moving away from google drive and docs, and there aren't many alternatives.</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-04-23/352364450583_84860327a35f2a5b0e5f_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">jakub</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 18:43</div><div class="msg">yeah, why use web colaboration platforms at all, lest just keep all notes in markdown files in a git repo</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-06-01/375000796951_78d872be972af4441b52_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">exiledsurfer</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 18:43</div><div class="msg">so that people like ben and marketing have an alternative to google docs, iterating us forward, @naghdy </div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-10-04/251566892466_e37667e6064fe542e7d7_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">naghdy</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 18:44</div><div class="msg">Yeah I don't care anywhere near as much as you guys. And clearly I've joined a very heated discussion. </div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-02-06/310412231971_aab33885aa55d16e4740_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">arnetheduck.slack</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 18:44</div><div class="msg">yeah temp increasing :slightly_smiling_face: not the intention at all.</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-10-04/251566892466_e37667e6064fe542e7d7_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">naghdy</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 18:44</div><div class="msg">If we're making it ACL?d, then it defeats the purpose imo, but whatever. If people use it, they use it. If they don't then don't. </div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-06-01/375000796951_78d872be972af4441b52_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">exiledsurfer</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 18:45</div><div class="msg">its not heated, this is productive debate!</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-10-04/251566892466_e37667e6064fe542e7d7_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">naghdy</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 18:45</div><div class="msg">I like HackMD for notes, but not collaborative documents because commenting is awful. </div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-10-04/251566892466_e37667e6064fe542e7d7_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">naghdy</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 18:45</div><div class="msg">But that's me. </div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-04-23/352364450583_84860327a35f2a5b0e5f_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">jakub</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 18:45</div><div class="msg">that's fair</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-06-01/375000796951_78d872be972af4441b52_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">exiledsurfer</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 18:45</div><div class="msg">commenting is in form of revision control</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-10-04/251566892466_e37667e6064fe542e7d7_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">naghdy</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 18:46</div><div class="msg">I can't imagine commenting as revision control is anywhere near as intuitive as google docs. But once again, if people really want a straight alternative to Google Docs, without it being open, then fine. I just don't see why the default wouldn't be open </div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-10-04/251566892466_e37667e6064fe542e7d7_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">naghdy</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 18:47</div><div class="msg">It?s not like Finance will be using <a href="http://Notes.status.im">http://Notes.status.im</a> anytime soon </div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-06-01/375000796951_78d872be972af4441b52_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">exiledsurfer</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 18:47</div><div class="msg">make the change instead of a comment, if author doesnt like it, revert. too much time spent commenting on people's work imo; commenting can be done in status chat. </div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-10-04/251566892466_e37667e6064fe542e7d7_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">naghdy</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 18:48</div><div class="msg">&gt;too much time spent commenting on people's work imo; commenting can be done in status chat
Wat. That... that doesn?t really work. How would you comment inline in status for an external document </div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-10-04/251566892466_e37667e6064fe542e7d7_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">naghdy</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 18:48</div><div class="msg">Irrespective, why not do an emoji vote on it and see what people think? </div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-06-01/375000796951_78d872be972af4441b52_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">exiledsurfer</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 18:50</div><div class="msg">b/c we already did that vote on permissions for google docs, abd tge vote was for private by default. why should it be different for notes?</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-07-31/408248212533_6aab8328425c701a55ee_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">corey122</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 18:50</div><div class="msg">as long as you _CAN_ make something private and share it, then it doesn't really matter... the default can be open to anyone. That increases ease of access for public and open docs with the ability to lock things down if you end up with the case of needing to.</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-06-01/375000796951_78d872be972af4441b52_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">exiledsurfer</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 18:51</div><div class="msg">see above comment, petty, we're talking about creation defaults, no?</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-10-04/251566892466_e37667e6064fe542e7d7_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">naghdy</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 18:52</div><div class="msg">I feel like I?m taking crazy pills. How am I arguing for more openness, and Michael for less :joy:</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-07-31/408248212533_6aab8328425c701a55ee_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">corey122</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 18:52</div><div class="msg">but if we want organizational tools for potentially sensitive information, or potentially status-wide important information then we need the ability to contain it within status. Markdown isn't good enough to replace all of google docs and their infrastructure.... yet. But as we continue, we need to keep these things in mind.</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-06-01/375000796951_78d872be972af4441b52_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">exiledsurfer</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 18:52</div><div class="msg"><a href="https://status-im.slack.com/archives/C9KT29ZK2/p1538127282000100">https://status-im.slack.com/archives/C9KT29ZK2/p1538127282000100</a></div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-07-31/408248212533_6aab8328425c701a55ee_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">corey122</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 18:53</div><div class="msg">I think this platform serves many purposes... the majority of it's use will be simple note taking that goes with streamed meetings, drafts about building things, etc, etc. Sometimes things will be more restricted in access, so the defaults should reflect that.</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-07-31/408248212533_6aab8328425c701a55ee_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">corey122</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 18:54</div><div class="msg">if the platform is generic, then we build policy and procedure on top of it for various use cases... if it isn't then we use it for a given purpose, and something else for the other purposes that it can't meet.</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-06-01/375000796951_78d872be972af4441b52_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">exiledsurfer</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 18:57</div><div class="msg">my vision is that hackMD is available in a status chat</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-06-01/375000796951_78d872be972af4441b52_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">exiledsurfer</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 18:59</div><div class="msg">just like "notes" is availible in slack</div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-06-01/375000796951_78d872be972af4441b52_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">exiledsurfer</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 19:03</div><div class="msg">so, if we build our docs in notes.status , its obvious that we'll have a need to build a dapp for status integration. it's a building block in iterating forward for the tools we need to actually work in status instead of slack... and, as i noted above, the current 2fa security for the org that everyone has is google. the more tools we enable in status ecosystem, the more the need grows for native public key auth and provenance linked to a status identity. it's the same logic behind an integrated publishing cms (blog) and b/c it's markdown, seamlessly integrates with it. if we want inline commenting in hackMD, then, hell, lets put a bounty out for it. </div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2018-04-17/348134203537_1bc2a6f28471cf6ec828_72.png" /><div class="message"><div class="username">hutch</div><div class="time">2018-10-01 21:30</div><div class="msg">Just a note here - these calls are 7am my time I won't be able to be the stream go-to guy; but will definitely be willing to help setup someone in the time zone to do live peer moving forward. </div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-10-04/251566892466_e37667e6064fe542e7d7_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">naghdy</div><div class="time">2018-10-08 20:18</div><div class="msg">Chat moved <a href="https://get.status.im/chat/public/status-core-devs">https://get.status.im/chat/public/status-core-devs</a></div></div></div><br/>
<div><img src="https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2017-10-04/251566892466_e37667e6064fe542e7d7_72.jpg" /><div class="message"><div class="username">naghdy</div><div class="time">2018-10-08 20:18</div><div class="msg">@naghdy archived the channel</div></div></div><br/>
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